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    Misterdrew, As I said earlier, welcome & I loved your 'posting'!

    I can fully understand your abhorrence at the 'ignorance' shown in the posting above yours, actually - it 'beggars belief', especially the bit about a Ghetto!!

    I am running out of time - going away for a week, but hopefully someone with more knowledge than me, will 'step in' & help with removing the posting which was just so bigoted.

    Regards, Lizzie.


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    Question homophobia

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    A couple who went on a cruise not knowing that it was for gay men are attempting to sue the organisers.

    The unnamed Italian couple booked a trip from Civitvecchia to Barcelona, not realising the specialist nature of the boat, the Daily Mail reports.

    A lawyer for the pair said that they had been "embarrassed" after they saw people on the cruise who they did not know were gay.

    However, Alessio De Giorgio, one of the organisers of the cruise, told the publication: "This is a clear case of homophobia. Nothing scandalous happened. It is a clear example of how prevalent homophobia is in this country."

    The cruise was the first of its type in Italy and attracted a lot of media attention at its launch.

    The pair are planning to sue the cruise organisers Grimaldi claiming that they did not make it clear that the cruise was meant for gay men and women.
    A lawyer for the pair said that they had been "embarrassed" after they saw people on the cruise who they did not know were gay. So if they didn't know why were they embarrassed? Perhaps gays should stitch a sun or some other mark on their clothes! This would allow us all to be embarrassed at the right time.

    Does the average gay person look any different to anybody else? Are you more likely to catch something from them than anybody else that you share a hot tub with? As long as people are not having full on in public
    gay or hetrosexual what is the problem? People need to respect other people rights be they black, white, male, female, smoker, non smoker.

    What would happen if the gay passengers sue for allowing hetrosexuals to book on this cruise ! :D


    Live and let live or we could find that we so called normal married couples are discriminated against in more ways than just tax



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    ...hopefully someone with more knowledge than me, will 'step in' & help with removing the posting which was just so bigoted. Regards, Lizzie.
    Lizzie, please let's try to avoid removing offensive postings if at all possible.

    Okay, most of us don't like anti-gay comments, but we've managed to tolerate anti-almost-everything-else so far! To the best of my recollection we've had disparaging comments about: smokers, chavs, pikeys, people in wheelchairs, children, old people, liberals, alcoholics, overweight people, snobs, Ocean Village cruisers, and (most hurtful of all) vegans... :o!

    Having been attacked on the grounds of at least four of the above I've never asked for the offending comments to be removed. I feel it's best to leave them for all to see and to allow others to pass judgement on the posters.

    Regards


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    My boyfriend and I would be horrified if we found ourselves accidentally booked on a gay cruise - we would probably stay in our cabins, we certainly wouldn't go anywhere near the sauna or whirlpool baths!
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    I am absolutely horrified at the blatant homophobia and ignorance shown by the last post here.
    I can't be certain, but judging by the poster's name and the content of the post I suspect Nick is a gay man and not being homophobic, but rather saying he would rather not be in the same environment as people who had decided to book on a gay cruise.

    If I went into a sauna in a typical gym/leisure centre, I would expect to see people sitting around, either naked or wearing towels. If however I went into a gay sauna I'd expect guys to be hitting on each other if not having sex in front of other people. I think most people would want to know what type of sauna they were going into before entering, regardless of their personal opinions on homosexuality or casual sex.

    Regarding the story itself, if you are trying to organise a majority-gay event of any kind then you want all guests to know before hand, to avoid problems of homophobia at the event and so that the event actually is majority-gay. I suspect this couple just booked the cruise without properly reading the brochure, but if so that's their own fault and so long as no laws were broken the can't complain.


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    A lawyer for the pair said that they had been "embarrassed" after they saw people on the cruise who they did not know were gay. So if they didn't know why were they embarrassed?
    Reading this story elsewhere, it looks like they met friends they had known from before going on the cruise, but whom that hadn't known were gay. I can't see a justifiable complaint there.


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    A couple who went on a cruise not knowing that it was for gay men are attempting to sue the organisers.

    The unnamed Italian couple booked a trip from Civitvecchia to Barcelona, not realising the specialist nature of the boat, the Daily Mail reports.

    A lawyer for the pair said that they had been "embarrassed" after they saw people on the cruise who they did not know were gay.

    However, Alessio De Giorgio, one of the organisers of the cruise, told the publication: "This is a clear case of homophobia. Nothing scandalous happened. It is a clear example of how prevalent homophobia is in this country."

    The cruise was the first of its type in Italy and attracted a lot of media attention at its launch.

    The pair are planning to sue the cruise organisers Grimaldi claiming that they did not make it clear that the cruise was meant for gay men and women.
    Can you please tell me the name of this gay cruise company and the ship as i am very interested to book a cruise with them.Please reply ASAP.
    Thank you.
    Ervin


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    Morning all

    Turning this on its head.. I actually did a transatlantic RCCI Voyager with 80% of the pasengers from Texas. The majority of the rest were also US; with about 150 europeans... Some of the cruise entrtainment staff were openly and obviously gay and I did hear them being referred to as 'faggots'... as if it was everyday language.

    I have stuggled with my language on this and rewritten this posting several times.. but the bottom line is my fellow passengers were in the main overtly racist, homophobic, right wing, bible bashing and very verbal about the power of the lone star state.

    I'm a solo traveller, professional out, but also a femme, so I was happy to hide in the closet on this trip (thankfully I have that option). Frankly in my view had I outed myself in any way I would have been hazed.. and thats not what I had paid 2k for!!

    As it was I ended up in the middle of a fistfight with 2 x 70+ year old bull heads pushing and shoving over getting to the gangway...

    Now there was nothing RCCI could have done about it; indeed I found great fellowship with some of the staff who were being treated terribly on the crossing, especially Ivan a lovely bar tender from Bulgaria - who I heard being called 'Hey you, you Ruskie!!' and Dwayne an afrocaribbean - who God love him was 'BOY' for 12 days.... Both looked after me exceptionally well and were a constant source of hugs and encouragement as I did out myself to them... partly to show my deep empathy for their continued professional demeanour throughout the whole trip. NEVER once did I see those boys lower themselves to the mentality of the majority (and actually I do mean the majority and I am not heterophobic!).

    The trip was truely memorable for all the wrong reasons.

    I am happy to balance this against a number of other cruises (28-30) with lots of cruise lines and none of which have had this concentration of one type of US citizen.

    AND I am happy to say I have stayed in San Antonio, Tx, without a hitch. Mainly I think because of its heavily Latino influenced culture... which as it turned out upset my table as they still thought that part of Texas as Mexican! (Not going to tell you what they had to say about the Mexicans!!)

    Like lots of pockets homophobia is live and well - and people bring those attitudes on holidays with them.

    Just a word to the wise... never transit the transatlantic from Texas!!

    Best

    Posh


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    Morning all

    Turning this on its head.. I actually did a transatlantic RCCI Voyager with 80% of the pasengers from Texas. The majority of the rest were also US; with about 150 europeans... Some of the cruise entrtainment staff were openly and obviously gay and I did hear them being referred to as 'faggots'... as if it was everyday language.

    I have stuggled with my language on this and rewritten this posting several times.. but the bottom line is my fellow passengers were in the main overtly racist, homophobic, right wing, bible bashing and very verbal about the power of the lone star state.

    I'm a solo traveller, professional out, but also a femme, so I was happy to hide in the closet on this trip (thankfully I have that option). Frankly in my view had I outed myself in any way I would have been hazed.. and thats not what I had paid 2k for!!

    As it was I ended up in the middle of a fistfight with 2 x 70+ year old bull heads pushing and shoving over getting to the gangway...

    Now there was nothing RCCI could have done about it; indeed I found great fellowship with some of the staff who were being treated terribly on the crossing, especially Ivan a lovely bar tender from Bulgaria - who I heard being called 'Hey you, you Ruskie!!' and Dwayne an afrocaribbean - who God love him was 'BOY' for 12 days.... Both looked after me exceptionally well and were a constant source of hugs and encouragement as I did out myself to them... partly to show my deep empathy for their continued professional demeanour throughout the whole trip. NEVER once did I see those boys lower themselves to the mentality of the majority (and actually I do mean the majority and I am not heterophobic!).

    The trip was truely memorable for all the wrong reasons.

    I am happy to balance this against a number of other cruises (28-30) with lots of cruise lines and none of which have had this concentration of one type of US citizen.

    AND I am happy to say I have stayed in San Antonio, Tx, without a hitch. Mainly I think because of its heavily Latino influenced culture... which as it turned out upset my table as they still thought that part of Texas as Mexican! (Not going to tell you what they had to say about the Mexicans!!)

    Like lots of pockets homophobia is live and well - and people bring those attitudes on holidays with them.

    Just a word to the wise... never transit the transatlantic from Texas!!

    Best

    Posh
    I read threads like this with interest, everyone appears to be "concerned" regarding attitudes to this group or that group and then your final statement;
    "Just a word to the wise... never transit the transatlantic from Texas!"

    Thus is one stroke condemning the population of Texas - in the main, you state; "as my fellow passengers were in the main overtly racist, homophobic, right wing, bible bashing and very verbal about the power of the lone star state."

    Having travelled the world extensively, and having visited many cultures in the process, my bottom line is "Live and let live". We all have choices in life and whilst I would not personally choose to be part of a gay cruise as I am white, married and straight (some attitudes and aspects of our society make me feel as if I am part of a minority!) I accept that I currently co-exist with gays, femmes, texans, germans, french, muslims, christians, jews et al etc etc.

    Life really is too short and after the year my family have had I am looking forward to an exciting but relaxing cruise, where the sexuality of the crew or my fellow passengers is not my concern. I truly believe we can exist together, irrespective of our different make-up as individuals....................

    REgards
    PM

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    This is a discussion forum; so I am pleased to discuss my views and yours

    I am not going to defend my statement.. because I spent ages putting it together and believe in what I wrote.

    Not least because I lived for 12 nights with raging bigoted behaviour, including exiting conversations where it appeared appropriate to discuss Barak Obama as the 'N in the white house' as if this was an acceptable manner of communication.

    That behaviour is offensive to me, and where no-one else challenges it it is easy to develop a notion that it is a part of the mainstream view. Actually my observation on this occassion was that listeners endorsed the comment, one of them saying 'Amen to that'

    I dont condemn Texans; but recommend if you are LGBT (which you are not, therefore the comment does not apply to you) you will be uncomfortable on that type of a tour.

    As a white straight male I suspect you have not encountered overt bigotry in they way I experienced this cruise. Or indeed could empathise with the outcome of homophobia which is that by allowing your own difference to be known, you can put yourself at emotional and physical risk.

    However perhaps I can refer you to my comments about the home of the Alamo. Full of Texans and I did state that I encountered no issues there - where cultural difference is much wider.

    So actually not only are you fortunate in your experiences to date, you missed the point. In the enclosed environment of a ship, you need to make good choices for yourself as an LGBT person.

    Posh


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    This is a discussion forum; so I am pleased to discuss my views and yours

    I am not going to defend my statement.. because I spent ages putting it together and believe in what I wrote.

    Not least because I lived for 12 nights with raging bigoted behaviour, including exiting conversations where it appeared appropriate to discuss Barak Obama as the 'N in the white house' as if this was an acceptable manner of communication.

    That behaviour is offensive to me, and where no-one else challenges it it is easy to develop a notion that it is a part of the mainstream view. Actually my observation on this occassion was that listeners endorsed the comment, one of them saying 'Amen to that'

    I dont condemn Texans; but recommend if you are LGBT (which you are not, therefore the comment does not apply to you) you will be uncomfortable on that type of a tour.

    As a white straight male I suspect you have not encountered overt bigotry in they way I experienced this cruise. Or indeed could empathise with the outcome of homophobia which is that by allowing your own difference to be known, you can put yourself at emotional and physical risk.

    However perhaps I can refer you to my comments about the home of the Alamo. Full of Texans and I did state that I encountered no issues there - where cultural difference is much wider.

    So actually not only are you fortunate in your experiences to date, you missed the point. In the enclosed environment of a ship, you need to make good choices for yourself as an LGBT person.

    Posh
    Quite so. I have served in the Royal Navy for 32 years so I am well aware of life in an enclosed environment. All I would add to your closing statement is that we ALL have to make good choices, in an enclosed environment of a ship (and elsewhere), its not just an option open to LGBT personnel. After all, deep down we are all the same aren't we? Or maybe some find the need to shout louder than others!
    Happy Cruising.

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