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    #31
    Many years ago i read a book by one of my favorite authors Nelson De Mille,he co-wrote a book with Thomas Block,an ex US Air force and commercial pilot,the book was called Mayday and even though i am not flying savvy, the story,though fiction was enthralling in the details of what can and cant be done to aircraft,add to the fact as in 911 the lack of passport checks, lax security etc, even i am getting my conspiricy theory head on!! Jan.

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      #32
      Were the passengers aware at the time there was a problem; were they awake/conscious...?

      There's been some talk about the pilot having taken the aircraft up to 45,000 feet; apparently at that altitude the oxygen on board would have run out in about 12 minutes

      I don't pretend to understand that, but if it's true then at least the passengers might not have suffered right up until the crash??

      Cheers,
      Lynn

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        #33
        Originally posted by Mitchell Derby, Derby View Post
        Were the passengers aware at the time there was a problem; were they awake/conscious...?

        There's been some talk about the pilot having taken the aircraft up to 45,000 feet; apparently at that altitude the oxygen on board would have run out in about 12 minutes

        I don't pretend to understand that, but if it's true then at least the passengers might not have suffered right up until the crash??

        Cheers,
        Lynn
        Lynn I'm afraid those figures are more journalistic rubbish.

        The B777 is able to operate up to 43,000ft in normal operational mode, although 39,000 ft is a more typical maximum operating altitude.

        For the aircraft to climb another couple of thousand feet above that and everyone die 12 minutes later is just nonsense.

        I can only guess that this codswallop has emanated from an assumption that in the event of a cabin decompression, instead of the aircraft making an emergency decent to below 10,000ft, it was climbed up to 45,000ft, then the limited available oxygen from the drop down masks would be time critical.............Wilba
        Wilba

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          #34
          Lynn I'm afraid those figures are more journalistic rubbish

          Oh heck - I suppose I should have known!! At least I feel better now about not understanding it ...

          Cheers,
          Lynn

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            #35
            Originally posted by trevor432990, East Sussex View Post
            It is a good question Cruise Fairy and given that most computer systems have so called 'back doors' in them to allow for easy access and maintenance by software engineers during testing who's to say that they have not all been removed before they go live. I'd say it is feasible given enough knowledge to view data being sent from the plane to the ground but as far as I know none of the essential equipment onboard such as engines, navigation or cockpit controls can be re-programmed from the ground but as Wilba seems to be the expert on this I'll let him answer.

            I doubt very much if there are any experts or otherwise on this forum able to provide the correct explanation as to how the passengers on this aircraft met their fate. I rather think that we will never know and should now consider it a unexplained mystery, until, if ever concrete evidence is unearthed to shed light on the events leading up to the eventual crashing of the plane and death of the passengers onboard.
            j

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              #36
              Is anyone else confused by todays news that the Malaysian authorities are 'now' saying that they have radar data of the planes movements from which they have now calculated the speed it was travelling was faster than they originally thought and as a result they are moving the search area to 600 miles North East of the previous area.

              My question is where did this 'new' radar data suddenly appear from? The last I heard the only data being used to locate the aircraft was the satellite ping data which the AAIB had. The only previous radar data announced by the Malaysians (I think) was indicating the plane was heading towards the Indian Ocean or did I miss something from another source ?

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                #37
                Trevor- when this whole thing started, CNN reported that there were some countries along the Arc who were reluctant or refused to release any data...... maybe they now have it?

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                  #38
                  Yes could be Cruise Fairy or they are using military satellites and are have released the data in confidence. Anyway the results of todays plane searches look fruitful as five of them spotted debris so with luck tomorrow when the ships arrive they will be able to pick up some of it for closer examination.

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                    #39
                    This info is out there somewhere one just has to sort the wheat from the chaff,
                    jim

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by trevor432990, East Sussex View Post
                      I don't think the Malaysians have always shown much 'tact' when it comes to delivering the news to relatives but also I don't think they have deserved the amount of criticism levelled at them by the Chinese relatives and media. Considering the circumstances in fact I believe they have done quite well in keeping everyone briefed. No doubt there are lessons to be learned in handling such disasters in future and in this day and age there is no excuse for a civil aircraft to be able to simply vanish off the radar screens and there should be no manual disconnect available for pilots.
                      Think I might change my mind about the Malaysian Governments handling of the crisis now having read they are now saying :-

                      1) The final words from the plane were not as originally stated
                      2) Voice recognition tests are still underway and not completed as they previously reported
                      3) They said that the British company Inmarsat (who advised them on planes location) had refused to attend a meeting with Chinese relatives but the CEO of Inmarsat said they have never received an invitation for such a conference

                      They just seem to be digging a bigger hole for themselves every day.
                      Last edited by trevor432990, East Sussex; 2nd April 2014, 09:32 AM.

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