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    #16
    Originally posted by cruisers, London (2) View Post
    Wiba, Thanks for the above. There is a very interesting article on this mystery written by Les Abend is a 777 captain for a major airline with 29 years of flying experience. He is a senior contributor to Flying magazine, a worldwide publication in print for more than 75 years. It can be found on the CNN Opinion sitehttp://www.cnn.com/2014/03/24/opinion/abend-explaining-flight-370/index.html?iid=article_sidebar.
    I found it to be most interesting and could contain what possibly maybe more in line with what may have happened. With your aviation background hopefully the article will interest yourself also

    Rgds
    J
    Thanks for that. My own theory is similar to one of his options............We'll see.........Wilba
    Wilba

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      #17
      So, do you think this is another flight like the one Payne Stewart died on?

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        #18
        Originally posted by Cruise Fairy, Indiana USA (2) View Post
        So, do you think this is another flight like the one Payne Stewart died on?
        Hypoxia has been one of the possibilities, but personally I believe this will turn out to be a deliberate act by a crew member. At the moment the evidence is pointing in that direction.
        Wilba

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          #19
          Originally posted by Wilba View Post
          Hypoxia has been one of the possibilities, but personally I believe this will turn out to be a deliberate act by a crew member. At the moment the evidence is pointing in that direction.
          Yes, that's been my idea too. The Pilot's wife is reported to have left him the day before, taking their children with her,
          That might have unhinged him. I'm still waiting to find who his last phone call was to, and the content.
          A theory I have heard is that both pilots were Muslim and 20 of the passengers were manager level staff of a hi-tech company
          whose research included how planes could avoid radar detection....so the plane was taken to Iran, and --- fill in the blanks.
          Now that made me go hmmmm !

          h
          a

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            #20
            Hadn't heard that reported about the pilot's wife yet Cruise Fairy. If that's true it is a significant fact which must be taken into consideration.

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              #21
              Originally posted by trevor432990, East Sussex View Post
              Hadn't heard that reported about the pilot's wife yet Cruise Fairy. If that's true it is a significant fact which must be taken into consideration.
              The pilot's last phone call was when he was getting ready to taxi for take-off ( pilots on CNN criticized that, since that is a NONO)
              from an unidentified woman, who bought a pay as you go phone with a fake ID.....

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                #22
                Here is a little more food for thought to add to the swell of theories circulating the forum.

                I believe this could be a deliberate pre meditated pilot act.

                First of all the secondary radar (transponder) was turned off after the now ubiquitous non standard 'goodnight' call, secondly the aircraft turned out to sea where mobile phone signals would be eliminated due to non coverage, not that at night any of the passengers would be any the wiser as to its direction of flight, and third, the most damning evidence of all the engine monitoring system were also turned off.

                This system emits a digital signal back to Rolls Royce in Derby via satellite, not at all times but in 'packets' of data at various times whilst the engines are in operation. This is to provide RR with the engine parameters in every mode of operation, on the basis that RR can monitor an engines performance and foresee future problems before they happen. I have no knowledge as to whether the aircrafts position can be determined from this information, but the length of time the engines are operating can be.

                So let's discount the passenger hijack theory for the moment

                A schoolboy could be briefed on what a transponder looks like, where to find it on the panel and how to turn it off. No more difficult than turning off a car radio.

                But.........To turn off the engine monitoring system would need specialised knowledge of the 777 flight panel and specific knowledge of the procedure to carry it out on this type of aircraft, i.e. an airline pilot.
                Last edited by Wilba; 26th March 2014, 08:19 AM.
                Wilba

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Wilba View Post
                  Here is a little more food for thought to add to the swell of theories circulating the forum.

                  I believe this is a deliberate pre meditated pilot act.

                  First of all the secondary radar (transponder) was turned off after the now ubiquitous non standard 'goodnight' call, secondly the aircraft turned out to sea where mobile phone signals would be eliminated due to non coverage, not that at night any of the passengers would be any the wiser as to its direction of flight, and third, the most damning evidence of all the engine monitoring system were also turned off.

                  This system emits a digital signal back to Rolls Royce in Derby via satellite, not at all times but in 'packets' of data at various times whilst the engines are in operation. This is to provide RR with the engine parameters in every mode of operation, on the basis that RR can monitor an engines performance and foresee future problems before they happen. I have no knowledge as to whether the aircrafts position can be determined from this information, but the length of time the engines are operating can be.

                  So let's discount the passenger hijack theory for the moment

                  A schoolboy could be briefed on what a transponder looks like, where to find it on the panel and how to turn it off. No more difficult than turning off a car radio.

                  But.........To turn off the engine monitoring system would need specialised knowledge of the 777 flight panel and specific knowledge of the procedure to carry it out on this type of aircraft, i.e. an airline pilot.
                  Thanks Wilba. Between you and MR M, who gave me a similar[ but very detailed] explanation about signals, black boxes, radar, cell phones and other fiddly bits, I feel as if I too could fly that plane!!

                  As for the wife who left the family home Trevor, it was headline news all over the world last weekend with photos of family, family home etc] Even the BBC reported it!!

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                    #24
                    Well I obviously missed some of the coverage Mrs.M, twas not a grievous fault on my part.

                    Whilst I tend to side with the pilot having done it I guess it begs the question did he kill the co-pilot or wait till he was out of the cockpit and lock the door? Surely anyone can buy time in a 777 simulator if they want and read or be shown how to turn off the engine monitoring systems.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Cruise Fairy, Indiana USA (2) View Post
                      The pilot's last phone call was when he was getting ready to taxi for take-off ( pilots on CNN criticized that, since that is a NONO)
                      from an unidentified woman, who bought a pay as you go phone with a fake ID.....
                      Ooh err perhaps she hypnotised him

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by trevor432990, East Sussex View Post
                        Well I obviously missed some of the coverage Mrs.M, twas not a grievous fault on my part.

                        Whilst I tend to side with the pilot having done it I guess it begs the question did he kill the co-pilot or wait till he was out of the cockpit and lock the door? Surely anyone can buy time in a 777 simulator if they want and read or be shown how to turn off the engine monitoring systems.
                        Here is one possible hypothetical scenario that fits the information that has been released and is just my devious mind working overtime.

                        To implicate both pilots is even more improbable so let's assume that one plot has in his flight bag a seemingly innocuous heavy, weighty object that could be used as a weapon.

                        He leaves his seat to 'go to the loo' and bludgeons his compatriot to death from behind.

                        He then carries out what we know from my last post. He turns off the secondary radar, changes course to a remote area, and turns off the engine monitoring system.

                        The aircraft could continue to fly for hours with no suspicion of anything untoward from the rest of the passengers or cabin crew until it simply ran out of fuel, bearing in mind we are taking nightime.

                        Which brings another thought to my twisted brain cells.

                        Did he then take his own life with barbiturates allowing the aircraft to fly on under control of the autopilot until the fuel was exhausted..........Wilba
                        Wilba

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                          #27
                          Re mobile phones,I did read that this 777had air radio in first class so there was a means of communication for some passengers.

                          re transponders,I was surprised to read that there was so few individual codes for all aircraft.Over the past 4years I have kept a finger on all flights taken by my daughters family all over the world using AIS.As long as I have the flight number and approx time of take off I can pick up the plane and keep tabs on it ,except for a couple of remote areas.
                          The information I get on my screen is flight number ,plane type squeak/ident,height ,speed and course/track,there can be hundreds of planes on the same screen at the same time and all one has to do is click on a target,very impressive.
                          After that bit of useless info like others I believe and have done for some time that the disappearance was an deliberate act because in my view any attempt at a hijack and the cockpit crew would have been able to get off a emergency call,
                          jim

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by trevor432990, East Sussex View Post
                            Well I obviously missed some of the coverage Mrs.M, twas not a grievous fault on my part.

                            Whilst I tend to side with the pilot having done it I guess it begs the question did he kill the co-pilot or wait till he was out of the cockpit and lock the door? Surely anyone can buy time in a 777 simulator if they want and read or be shown how to turn off the engine monitoring systems.
                            Of course it isn't, but it helps to have actual facts about a subject when airing views.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by jimtheoldsalt, felixstowe View Post
                              Re mobile phones,I did read that this 777had air radio in first class so there was a means of communication for some passengers.
                              From my very [ok extremely] limited understanding, doesn't it depend where the plane was, how high, was the main switch thingy turned on in the cockpit...so many variables i.e. were the passengers aware at the time there was a problem; were they awake/conscious...?

                              I'd love to think, if only for the pilots families sake, there was a catastrophic incident which rendered them all unconscious, as in the Payne Stewart case. The thought of all the passengers terrified out of their wits doesn't bear thinking about.
                              Last edited by Mrs M; 26th March 2014, 11:28 AM. Reason: innappropriate apostrophe

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                                #30
                                These pilots have invited passengers into the cockpit too, in the past, so no telling who they might have had in there for this flight....

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