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    #16
    Originally posted by jc, liverpool View Post
    Hi Mrs M & Del.
    I believe you can change the legislation without going through the courts.
    There is a section in the ECHR that lets you do it.

    I believe its called 'Presumption to Derogate'.

    It can be used in times of national emergency,,,,ie if the government claims the terror threat is an emergency.

    It was used to stop lawyers making frivolous claims against soldiers last year
    And the UK government used it at the time of the Troubles in NI.
    JC
    JC
    The presumption to derogate seems to be extremely specific and having waded through http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Publi...tsheet32EN.pdf

    I'm no lawyer but to me, it doesn't seem to apply to the situations we have, at present, in the uK.

    There are certain non- derogable rights which at the moment would seem to counter some of the issues raised in the OP.s link.

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      #17
      I don't know if it is just me, but we are always being told that everybody should be treated in the same way, ( regardless of the fact that not everyone is exactly the same as everyone else,) or be accused of discriminationn.

      "Human rights" is continually being shouted out by somebody, though it only applies to criminals, not to victims; which means not everyone is treated the same. Doesn't that mean that Human Rights, as it stands, is in fact discriminatory, and therefore illegal?

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        #18
        Originally posted by Mariers2, Rushden View Post
        I don't know if it is just me, but we are always being told that everybody should be treated in the same way, ( regardless of the fact that not everyone is exactly the same as everyone else,) or be accused of discriminationn.

        "Human rights" is continually being shouted out by somebody, though it only applies to criminals, not to victims; which means not everyone is treated the same. Doesn't that mean that Human Rights, as it stands, is in fact discriminatory, and therefore illegal?
        Yes....... "Human Rights" should be observed wherever possible but Common Sense should be used at all times. .....Neil

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          #19
          Originally posted by Mrs M View Post
          The presumption to derogate seems to be extremely specific and having waded through http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Publi...tsheet32EN.pdf

          I'm no lawyer but to me, it doesn't seem to apply to the situations we have, at present, in the uK.

          There are certain non- derogable rights which at the moment would seem to counter some of the issues raised in the OP.s link.
          Hi Mrs M.
          I'm no Perry Mason either,,and I blame you for taking an hour out of my life I'll never get back after reading all through your link.

          I was basing my post re 'derogating' on a interview with a Tory spokesperson today when asked if TM had done a U turn on leaving the ECHR,,,after promising she wasn't.

          The spokesperson said it would be a temporary suspension using Article 15 concerning the 'Pressumtion to Derogate.

          The examples i gave,were the ones He gave.
          JC
          C P Scott,,,,,"Comment is Free,,but Facts are Sacred"
          "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.

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            #20
            Originally posted by jc, liverpool View Post
            Hi Mrs M.
            I'm no Perry Mason either,,and I blame you for taking an hour out of my life I'll never get back after reading all through your link.

            I was basing my post re 'derogating' on a interview with a Tory spokesperson today when asked if TM had done a U turn on leaving the ECHR,,,after promising she wasn't.

            The spokesperson said it would be a temporary suspension using Article 15 concerning the 'Pressumtion to Derogate.

            The examples i gave,were the ones He gave.
            JC
            Sorry about that. Took me more than an hour to make any sense of it so you've done well.
            I've looked but can't see anything current about Presumption to Derogate.
            We will have to wait and see what happens.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Haworth, Wokingham View Post
              We need to keep things in perspective and I am not persuaded, its sound bite politics, sorry.

              35 people a week are killed and 400+ injured on our roads, should we stop everyone driving?

              John
              The unfortunate 35 people killed and 400+injured does not happen through murderous intent

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                #22
                Originally posted by Haworth, Wokingham View Post
                We need to keep things in perspective and I am not persuaded, its sound bite politics, sorry.

                35 people a week are killed and 400+ injured on our roads, should we stop everyone driving?

                John
                Chalk & cheese!

                Driving is a calculated risk which many of us choose to take. If you only travelled by train, public bus/coach or fly, the risk becomes much smaller.

                The victims of terrorists have no choice at all.
                See my cruise blog: HERE

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Little Red Rouster, Lancaster View Post
                  Do you agree with what Ian Collins is saying on his video.

                  https://youtu.be/0pta8qC8GI8
                  Yes but just look how Teresa May has been criticised by Labour & the Lib Dems on her very modest proposals a day or two ago.

                  We certainly know who will try to do their best to protect us.

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