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    Boat people ... what to do?

    Like others I have been appalled by the traumatic pictures coming from Lampedusa island where a fishing boat carrying hundreds of asylum seekers sank after a fire just off the coast. Apart from the terrible toll for humanity it just highlights the problem faced by rich countries about what can we do to end such strife both now and in the future?

    It seems likely that each European country will be asked to take a proportion of the thousands who have already arrived in Italy but as we know (to our cost) there is already a steady influx of asylum seekers into our country. This comes on top of changes which will allow East European residents to be given free access to our shores so an urgent solution is required.

    Australia has come to an arrangement with Papua New Guinea to take their boat people so should we seek to offload our responsibilities in a similar manner?

    There is an argument that this problem did not exist when Africa was colonised by various countries as order was maintained and corruption kept to manageable levels. Should the West turn back the clock in Africa and offer to take back what we had then?

    Does anyone else have some suggestions to solving this huge dilemma?

    #2
    The problem is that 10% of the world's people still hold 90% of the wealth. Political and physical barriers protect that wealth.

    I know it's a 'dream', but if the worlds wealth was more fairly distributed there would not be the large movements of people between countries.
    Last edited by Malcolm, Essex; 5th October 2013, 11:48 AM.
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      #3
      Malcolm, I think a few people have tried the wealth re-distribution thing, including Pol Pot, Chairman Mao and Uncle Joe, to name but a few. It didn't work.

      Stewart

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        #4
        And good effective governance is the key to creating a country's wealth.

        Some African countries are succeeding whereas others sadly are not.

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          #5
          The human cost is very sad and tragic, these souls risk their lives fleeing unrest or poverty to seek a better life, whilst their governments provide little to no protection and the traffickers are only interested in exploiting them to make money.

          For those asylum seekers that do make it to onto European soil, why do some have the British Isles fixed firmly in their sights as the final destination, seeking to risk their lives again crossing many borders? Is the latter to do more with our perceived distribution of wealth or due to free healthcare and generous benefits system?

          The bigger question, as a Island nation how can we continue to help those genuine asylum seekers to get back on their feet until it is safe for them to return home, if at all possible.

          Sadly across the world corruption, exploitation and strife plus man not living peacefully with his neighbours continues.

          None of the powers that be have addressed what can be done to tackle it let alone solve it.....
          Lancashire Cunarder

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            #6
            It's a huge problem and can't really think of a solution.
            Here in Malta it's a very difficult situation. Very few of the illegal immigrants we have here intended coming to Malta in the first place. They were making for Italy from where they can carry on all over Europe. Those here were rescued because their boats were sinking. Malta has a population of about 400.000 and it's very difficult to cope with the influx.

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              #7
              It's so sad, An awful lot of people are born into countries where, for what ever reason, they have no hope of a decent life........Carol

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                #8
                There are Syrian Refugees refusing to vacate the Calais ferry terminal and threatening to kill themselves unless they are granted safe passage to GB.

                Unlike the UK France does not pay benefits to asylum seekers while their claims are being processed there are 40 of them threatening to jump and kill themselves and some they also want to bring in their families, what do the authorities do? CG
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by trevor432990, East Sussex View Post
                  Like others I have been appalled by the traumatic pictures coming from Lampedusa island where a fishing boat carrying hundreds of asylum seekers sank after a fire just off the coast. Apart from the terrible toll for humanity it just highlights the problem faced by rich countries about what can we do to end such strife both now and in the future?

                  It seems likely that each European country will be asked to take a proportion of the thousands who have already arrived in Italy but as we know (to our cost) there is already a steady influx of asylum seekers into our country. This comes on top of changes which will allow East European residents to be given free access to our shores so an urgent solution is required.

                  Australia has come to an arrangement with Papua New Guinea to take their boat people so should we seek to offload our responsibilities in a similar manner?

                  There is an argument that this problem did not exist when Africa was colonised by various countries as order was maintained and corruption kept to manageable levels. Should the West turn back the clock in Africa and offer to take back what we had then?

                  Does anyone else have some suggestions to solving this huge dilemma?
                  Have you any real idea about what you are suggesting?

                  When Africa was invaded by "Colonials" the invaders, because several different countries were involved decided that the spoils should be divided up by drawing straight line boundaries across the land. These straight lines intersect well established tribes and resources and created confusion and mayhem. Africa is still suffering from this stupidity created by European countries and we have no idea how to sort it out. The number of dead people in the last fifty years cannot be counted and the cause was European crass insensitive greed.

                  You want to do the same damn thing all over again and this time kill a lot more people, on all sides, into the bargain?
                  What on earth gave you the idea that it was even a good thing to contemplate let alone put into practice?

                  Secondly, dealing with the main theme, from time immemorial people have moved in the sincere hope that they can better the lives of their offspring. It is a natural instinct in all animals, yes, we are animals and have this natural wish for those we care for.

                  The Norse, Saxons, Huns etc. all did it; more recently the Swedish have moved in their thousand, the Irish have been doing it for years and the Italians similarly. We, human beings, have the ability to made conscious decisions and that together with our wit and ability to plan inevitably means that we are going to be pretty steadfast in our efforts to move to "pastures green".

                  I would suggest with the problems that we have all over the world at the moment if you want to stop immigration we set about using this wonderful ingenuity we have and make the places that they are moving from into places where they want to live. That we stop, ban people robbing that country of its natural resources and let the people that live there have what is theirs. If you want extreme examples of that look at what makes Somalia so poor, look at what is happening in Madagascar in fact look at all the countries where emigrants flee from and ask yourself why they are leaving and what could be done to turn the situation round.

                  Whilst you are doing that; research "Golden Rice" and ask yourself why Green Peace are allowing people to go blind and die.

                  There are too many problems in this world. The best way to start solving them is to deal with the root cause and not fiddle-fannying round the edge. .......Neil

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                    #10
                    What to do with the boat people?? - honest answer I don't know. We will never stop economic migrants and should we??

                    I am the granddaughter of economic migrants and some of siblings are married to economic migrants.

                    How will you ever stop people trying to better their lives??

                    Whatever system you try to impose, people will work around it.

                    Annie

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                      #11
                      Neil ... I made a couple of suggestions but I've no idea if either would work. In your tome you kind of made a suggestion but don't give enough information about how it should be done. I'd score your effort at 6/10 so give us some more info.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by trevor432990, East Sussex View Post
                        Neil ... I made a couple of suggestions but I've no idea if either would work. In your tome you kind of made a suggestion but don't give enough information about how it should be done. I'd score your effort at 6/10 so give us some more info.
                        You put forward your ideas; you obviously did that for a reason. I challenged your ideas and gave you substance for my thinking.

                        May I politely suggest that it might be an idea for you to look at the differences between what you suggested and what I and others have suggested and maybe readjust your thinking and then enlighten us with the results rather than me putting you through the arduous task of having to read another tome and probably being the recipient of even more fatuous remarks.

                        I look forward to your hypothesis. .....Neil

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                          #13
                          Not often I agree with Neil,but I do agree with his last post,yes sort out the root cause with the rich countries making the poor countries a fit place to live,BUT I think that is pie in the sky no one will ever be able to bring peace to those warring African/middle east countries,just think,one of the richest countries in the world(Saudi Arabia) will not lift a finger to help these poor countries.

                          jim

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                            #14
                            In an ideal world of course you want people to be happy and secure in their own country and other nations should help them which the UK does through the £billions it spends in foreign aid. So if all the rich nations are providing funds and training why is it still not having the desired effect?

                            My guess is it is down to corruption at all levels of the government and it has been this way with most African countries since they achieved independence decades ago. The same corruption sees them selling off their resources to the highest bidders and lining their own pockets. It seems virtually impossible to change this mindset short of hoping a civil war will occur and a new more moderate group takes over.

                            What the west is doing at the moment is trying to bring about damage limitation but for the most part it is not succeeding. The Chinese are investing large amounts in African infrastructure projects which is both encouraging and worrying in equal measure because this could be seen as colonising by stealth. On top of that they are purchasing huge swathes of land in Africa.

                            All this could potentially bring about political maturity and responsibility in these developing nations or it could see them being bled dry only time will tell. Unfortunately the current situation leading to the asylum seekers is not going to change anytime soon so the best we can do is increase the penalty on the traffickers and seek to get Libya to close its borders to migrants.

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                              #15
                              I just feel so sad that people are so desperate that they will put their children's lives in danger probably for a huge financial cost to themselves and their families. Political issues aside, my heart goes out to those who are so determined to give their children a better life. I was on Splendour of the Seas a week after 9/11, I was at the captains cocktail party, an announcement was made that it was cancelled because of a maritime emergency, a 65 ft launch was in trouble, we were helping. The 65 ft launch had about 250 people aboard, the crew had scarpered because the engines had shut down, they left those poor scared people alone. I took my G and T to the pool deck and watched the small boat really bobbing about, the seas were medium, and felt very humble and guilty. Our captain sent food, water and milk for the babies across to them they refused it saying 'get us to Italy'. We waited until the Italian air force, Costa and MSC ships in the area surrounded them and then took off. I can still hear the cries of those babies on board and am really angry with the fathers who refused help but I still hope we all have compassion enough to give a little to those in need.

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