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    A sad day (Politics)

    Hi all
    A sad day indeed.....



    JC
    C P Scott,,,,,"Comment is Free,,but Facts are Sacred"
    "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.

    #2
    At least they were respectful, and didn't just screw it up into a ball .....................................Carol

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      #3
      Originally posted by carol, welwyn garden city View Post
      At least they were respectful, and didn't just screw it up into a ball .....................................Carol
      Hi Carol
      They might have thrown it in the bin as soon as they got out of the door,,,,,,,or charged us a tariff to get it back.
      JC

      C P Scott,,,,,"Comment is Free,,but Facts are Sacred"
      "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.

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        #4
        Originally posted by jc, liverpool View Post
        Hi all
        A sad day indeed.....


        JC
        Hi JC, and a happy new year to you.

        Surely it's only sad if you don't believe in democracy.

        Otherwise, the rest of us are delighted as we're now in charge of our own destiny.

        Move on!

        Stewart

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          #5
          Surely it's only sad if you don't believe in democracy.
          Otherwise, the rest of us are delighted as we're now in charge of our own destiny.

          There are always different opinions to every question, and views should be respected.
          I am not going to get involved in political discussion but for the record, and to show there is a mix of views here, I for one am deeply sad and do believe in democracy.

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            #6
            Originally posted by BigMac, Glasgow View Post

            Hi JC, and a happy new year to you.

            Surely it's only sad if you don't believe in democracy.

            Otherwise, the rest of us are delighted as we're now in charge of our own destiny.

            Move on!

            Stewart
            Well said Big Mac.

            I wouldn't have expected it nor wanted it to remain there.

            Only a matter of time before France wants to remove English from the list of official languages. Both Malta and Ireland have official languages other than English.

            I see some Remoaners are already asking where are the benefits. Don't they understand Brexit "is for life not just for Christmas" and it will take a while for the benefits to fully show through. No doubt at every bump in the road in the short term they will be out in force saying "I told you so" but democracy prevailed and that is something all should be proud of.

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              #7
              Hi Guys
              Of course people got what they voted for,,,,,that’s your democracy.A simple answer to a simple question.

              But its also a part of the democratic process for people to be able to complain if they don’t think we are getting what they voted for.

              I don’t think the Trade Bill in the form presented provides that.
              Its the first trade agreement ever negotiated that puts up more barriers to business than the one we are leaving.

              We are out of the European Union,,,I accept that,,,but any attempt to shut up debate on what life is like after I reject.

              JC

              C P Scott,,,,,"Comment is Free,,but Facts are Sacred"
              "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.

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                #8
                Originally posted by JohnR, Chippenham View Post

                Well said Big Mac.

                I wouldn't have expected it nor wanted it to remain there.

                Only a matter of time before France wants to remove English from the list of official languages. Both Malta and Ireland have official languages other than English.

                I see some Remoaners are already asking where are the benefits. Don't they understand Brexit "is for life not just for Christmas" and it will take a while for the benefits to fully show through. No doubt at every bump in the road in the short term they will be out in force saying "I told you so" but democracy prevailed and that is something all should be proud of.
                I think 'remoaner' is now just an outdated jibe. We have all been leavers for a good while. Or maybe 'pragmatists' may be the right label
                I changed jobs last year (captain foresight ) due to the the damage brexit would cause to my previous industry. I am now just making the best of a bad job (at least we avoided a no deal) as I cannot afford for myself or my children to wait 50 years to see the benefits.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by BigMac, Glasgow View Post

                  Hi JC, and a happy new year to you.

                  Surely it's only sad if you don't believe in democracy.

                  Otherwise, the rest of us are delighted as we're now in charge of our own destiny.

                  Move on!

                  Stewart
                  Hi Stewart.
                  You have an opinion,I have an opinion,,,,,that’s Democracy.

                  I can’t take lectures about democracy from supporters of a government who tried to prorogue parliament rather than face scrutiny.
                  Or. Government who tried to break the law of an International Treaty because it didn’t like the law it agreed too 6 months later.
                  Or a government who took negotiations to the 11th hour to again avoid scrutiny of a 1200 page bill in 5 hours.
                  Certainly a government who plays fast and loose with the idea of democracy.

                  Lets see how much Sovereignty it gives away in negotiations with the USA to get some scraps of an agreement.

                  I will welcome your return to forum to denounce your preferred political party when that happens.but I don’t think the SNP will become the British parliament.
                  You will be under the government of the Independent Socialist Republic of Scotland then under the rule of Nicola the Great.
                  JC
                  C P Scott,,,,,"Comment is Free,,but Facts are Sacred"
                  "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by jc, liverpool View Post
                    Hi Stewart.
                    You have an opinion,I have an opinion,,,,,that’s Democracy.

                    I can’t take lectures about democracy from supporters of a government who tried to prorogue parliament rather than face scrutiny.
                    Or. Government who tried to break the law of an International Treaty because it didn’t like the law it agreed too 6 months later.
                    Or a government who took negotiations to the 11th hour to again avoid scrutiny of a 1200 page bill in 5 hours.
                    Certainly a government who plays fast and loose with the idea of democracy.

                    Lets see how much Sovereignty it gives away in negotiations with the USA to get some scraps of an agreement.

                    I will welcome your return to forum to denounce your preferred political party when that happens.but I don’t think the SNP will become the British parliament.
                    You will be under the government of the Independent Socialist Republic of Scotland then under the rule of Nicola the Great.
                    JC
                    I see the SNP voted for no deal a couple of days ago.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by JohnR, Chippenham View Post
                      I see the SNP voted for no deal a couple of days ago.
                      They did indeed John and they’re not finished yet with their constant moaning. It was a UK democratic vote but the SNP won’t accept that. As Stewart said, we need to move on and do what’s best for the UK. Everything Sturgeon does / says is based around Independence. I have to admit, seeing Gove wipe the floor with Blackford was very satisfying.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by JohnR, Chippenham View Post
                        I see the SNP voted for no deal a couple of days ago.

                        You do have to remember, that the SNP (who somehow think they speak for the Scottish people|), originally voted to leave the EU because the proper government wanted to stay within it. Then when we decided to leave it they wanted to stay in it. (???!!!)

                        They also cry foul over the fishing deal which benefits the whole of the UK, and especially Scotland, yet at the same time, want to reject the whole thing to re-join the EU.

                        Joanna Fatso wanted to introduce a law that would make it illegal to leave the EU without an agreement. Indeed, wee Sturgeon also stated that any deal was better than no deal, but that was when she didn't think it possible.

                        What did the two faced hypocrites do? They got all their nodding donkeys to vote for No Deal.

                        You really couldn't make it up.

                        Today she told the EU to "keep the lights on" as Scotland would be returning.

                        How ridiculously stupid and impossible.

                        Unless they're fairy lights.

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                          #13
                          What Nicola Sturgeon wants is independence and is so fixated on this that she forgets there is a whole lot of other problems to sort out for the Scottish people.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by mike, lanarkshire View Post

                            They did indeed John and they’re not finished yet with their constant moaning. It was a UK democratic vote but the SNP won’t accept that. As Stewart said, we need to move on and do what’s best for the UK. Everything Sturgeon does / says is based around Independence. I have to admit, seeing Gove wipe the floor with Blackford was very satisfying.
                            Hi Mike
                            Just shows how people see things differently.

                            What I saw was Ian Blackford absolutely monster Boris Johnson.

                            What I saw was Gove wind up the debate in 5 minutes throwing a couple of insults at the SNP without allowing any responses.

                            It made my laugh that BJ kept wrongly calling the SNP the Nationalists,,,and Blackford soon put him right on that one.

                            But Boris doesn’t do irony,,,he and his band of rightwing ideologues (ERG) are slowly turning the Conservatives into the English Nationalist Party.

                            I’ll wager Scotland will be Independent within 10 years and Northern Ireland will be back in the Republic,,,,,and it will be nobody’s fault but Boris Johnson and his fellow travellers.
                            Both countries voted remain,,,,Boris should have spent the 4 years to unite the UK,,,instead he went to war with them,,,hence Scotland,NI and Wales voted against the Hobson Choice of a Bill.

                            JC


                            C P Scott,,,,,"Comment is Free,,but Facts are Sacred"
                            "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by lucy, sutton View Post
                              What Nicola Sturgeon wants is independence and is so fixated on this that she forgets there is a whole lot of other problems to sort out for the Scottish people.
                              Hi Lucy
                              And she believes those problems can only be resolved with Scotland being an Independent country.

                              You know the line by now......’Take back control...Regain Sovereignty’

                              Whats good for the goose etc...

                              Btw,,,I don’t want Scotland to be independent,,,,but I do believe the Scottish people have the right to determine their own future.
                              And I read that every single poll,month after month shows that’s what the people want..

                              The elections in May might tell us,,,a resounding victory for the SNP will lead to Nicola claiming she is right,,,,just like Boris used his victory to claim his right to take us out of the EU at any cost.

                              JC



                              C P Scott,,,,,"Comment is Free,,but Facts are Sacred"
                              "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.

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