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  • Topdeck, London
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    Herd immunity, against severe disease we are there already.
    (England devolved nations are a bit behind)

    Modelling from 2 jabs antibody presence is over 85% for the 50+ and 95% 60+

    35+ 1 jab/infection models suggest 95% have antibody.

    That all the vulnerable ages covered well into herd levels..


    Below that age sever disease is less common anyway and modelling suggest over 50% have antibodes in the 16-34 age groups and 18+ the jabs are catching up so that will climb quickly.







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  • annie, Glasgow
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    Originally posted by Topdeck, London View Post
    Only watched last night briefing once(might change my thoughts on a second viewing).


    Having slept on it can't help think this is a setup to reduce accountability going forward.

    When(if?) it all goes wrong we will get the well we wanted to let the people take back responsibility and you let us down.




    I don't know the right answer but do agree we have a window over the summer.

    Schools shut(they are a big problem when open), case rates in 10-19 age group are higher than only 2 of the peak weeks sitting at 75% of peak week

    I think we are hearing the schools proposals today

    20-29 are higher than 6 of the peek weeks sitting at 45% of peak week
    (week old data so expect those to go up)

    clear message avoid school kids and young adults.


    Also probably worth trying the contacts isolate on positive test with compulsory testing OR isolate.

    All for the retention of mask on public transport and public building especially NHS establishments.


    I would also like to see social distance measure retained in hospitality, screens don't take up a lot of room

    pubs having a free for all, no masks, return to standing, order at bar are going to need to be avoided.
    (we go when it is not busy so should be ok if they keep table service)


    Any relaxed measures do give those areas that are still under a bit of control a chance to catch up with the higher rate areas.
    My small local area has gone from 30-200/100k in a week trying to play catchup.
    (not got a breakdown by age but suspect youngsters we have plenty of families in the 10k that live here)

    even the scotish island s that were covid free have lost that status.
    the thoughts of John Campbell and others, has the Government adopted the policy of Herd Immunity?

    Annie








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  • Topdeck, London
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    Originally posted by sandraggg, Newcastle View Post
    I rarely go to pubs, but what is the attraction of ordering at the bar?

    Is the issue that venues don't have the staff to maintain table service? Or is ordering at the bar an important freedom? I genuinely don't know!
    We much prefer the move to table service, can order on the app or call someone for cash/card sale.

    it can be very variable on the level of service and attention even on the same day.
    Our preferred venue is average to poor our away day options they are good to average

    as a regular the one issue the new staff don't know how important we are they need extra training

    There can be a big issue with time from order to delivery when busy, as they are running food as well as the drinks.
    We get round this by being "smart". and adapting to the conditions of the day.

    Order 2 at a time, then depending on how variable the timing seem to be typical between 2-20mins we order part way through the second pint.
    we don't do group rounds so once out of step we have staff visiting the table every 10-15mins depending how many we are, (schedule is 1pt/30mins)

    our place has set up with bar staff preparing the orders and runners taking orders and table service
    They have got a bit lax and if you see the runners are too busy you can fetch your drinks.

    The other issue is some of the new staff are very young and don't really know how hospitality needs to work and don't know drinks.



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  • cornish girl, falmouth
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    I shall continue to wear a mask , I haven't had a heavy cold since the outbreak , which is unusual for me, also to protect my OH .

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  • jc, liverpool
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    Originally posted by sandraggg, Newcastle View Post
    I rarely go to pubs, but what is the attraction of ordering at the bar?

    Is the issue that venues don't have the staff to maintain table service? Or is ordering at the bar an important freedom? I genuinely don't know!
    Hi Sandra.
    Instant Gratification.
    I went to a pub last week for something to eat,,I was there for 3 hours,I had 4 pints,,,,,in 3 hours I would usually have more.
    Every time the waitress disappeared with our drink order she must have been reading a chapter of War & Peace before bringing us our drinks.
    Its the same on cruise ships when the waiter (it’s usually a waiter) disappeares into that room behind the bar.
    Plus if I order a Cava for my wife on a ship I like to make sure it is decent Cava/Bubbly and not house Prosecco.
    The same in a pub if I order a blended spirit,,,I want to see them give me a Jameson and not a shot of Bargain Booze whiskey.

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    JC

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  • andyn, Bucks
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    From someone on R5

    Talking to Nicky Campbell, he says: "If you want me to wear a mask, you can get off the bus and walk to work... I'm suggesting that the better course of action would be for you to sit somewhere else, or to get off the bus.

    "People need to take responsibility for their own lives, they can't tell other people [what to do] to make themselves feel better," he adds.

    This is how it is going to be from now on...........

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  • annie, Glasgow
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    Originally posted by sandraggg, Newcastle View Post
    I rarely go to pubs, but what is the attraction of ordering at the bar?

    Is the issue that venues don't have the staff to maintain table service? Or is ordering at the bar an important freedom? I genuinely don't know!
    is hospitality the issue?? I suspect having a few friends round watching the footie whilst enjoying the occasional adult beverage is more of an issue.

    Annie

    PS In Scotland hospitality businesses are having an issue finding and retaining staff.

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  • sandraggg, Newcastle
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    I rarely go to pubs, but what is the attraction of ordering at the bar?

    Is the issue that venues don't have the staff to maintain table service? Or is ordering at the bar an important freedom? I genuinely don't know!

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  • Topdeck, London
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    Only watched last night briefing once(might change my thoughts on a second viewing).


    Having slept on it can't help think this is a setup to reduce accountability going forward.

    When(if?) it all goes wrong we will get the well we wanted to let the people take back responsibility and you let us down.




    I don't know the right answer but do agree we have a window over the summer.

    Schools shut(they are a big problem when open), case rates in 10-19 age group are higher than only 2 of the peak weeks sitting at 75% of peak week

    I think we are hearing the schools proposals today

    20-29 are higher than 6 of the peek weeks sitting at 45% of peak week
    (week old data so expect those to go up)

    clear message avoid school kids and young adults.


    Also probably worth trying the contacts isolate on positive test with compulsory testing OR isolate.

    All for the retention of mask on public transport and public building especially NHS establishments.


    I would also like to see social distance measure retained in hospitality, screens don't take up a lot of room

    pubs having a free for all, no masks, return to standing, order at bar are going to need to be avoided.
    (we go when it is not busy so should be ok if they keep table service)


    Any relaxed measures do give those areas that are still under a bit of control a chance to catch up with the higher rate areas.
    My small local area has gone from 30-200/100k in a week trying to play catchup.
    (not got a breakdown by age but suspect youngsters we have plenty of families in the 10k that live here)

    even the scotish island s that were covid free have lost that status.

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  • andyn, Bucks
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    Did notice the subtle change in the language. It is no longer 'irreversible' now they will 'do everything possible to avoid re-imposing restrictions'.......good luck with that

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  • Moonraker, Royal Wootton Bassett
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    I have previously posted my dislike of masks. I can't stand the things and look forward to the day when I can ditch them for good. But that day isn't 19th July. In fact I am likely to be wearing a mask more, not less. In a place of the size of RWB we don't get crowds anywhere so I wear a mask very little and on some days not at all. But as the things open up I will be going to places where a mask remains advisable though not compulsory and as a courtesy to others I will wear one.

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  • sandraggg, Newcastle
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    Originally posted by annie, Glasgow View Post

    I heard that last night but I don't believe it. I suspect that when many see others discontinue mask wearing, they will follow.

    For myself, I will continue to follow the data and probably continue not visiting the shops at least for the next month - no change there

    As for travel, I recently completed an internal UK journey by air and honestly the mask wearing was no hardship - I forgot I was wearing one.

    Long haul air travel is no concern because many countries don't want us to visit.

    Annie
    There has been so much inconsistency with travel!

    A couple of weeks ago I travelled on LNER. Could not board train without a seat reservation. Had to sit in reserved seat. Everyone wearing masks. Walking about discouraged.

    Then I had the misfortune to change onto an East Midlands train. It was filthy and packed. I was one of only two mask-wearers in the carriage. No reserved seats or distancing of any kind.

    Why? I would have expected train companies to have standards to follow.

    ​​​

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  • annie, Glasgow
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    Originally posted by sandraggg, Newcastle View Post
    Recent YouGov poll...


    I heard that last night but I don't believe it. I suspect that when many see others discontinue mask wearing, they will follow.

    For myself, I will continue to follow the data and probably continue not visiting the shops at least for the next month - no change there

    As for travel, I recently completed an internal UK journey by air and honestly the mask wearing was no hardship - I forgot I was wearing one.

    Long haul air travel is no concern because many countries don't want us to visit.

    Annie

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  • Mrs M
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    Well fingers tightly crossed, if this is a true snapshot of the general feeling in the community, masks will be worn on transport, in shops and in small spaces by the majority.

    I know my masks will be worn when around 'other people'. I know my Covid habits and those of my friends, but the cynic in me doesn't believe everybody is as scrupulous as we and for the time being at least, I shall be out and about but wearing my masks.

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  • sandraggg, Newcastle
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    Recent YouGov poll...


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