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    It is working.

    Despite all the doom mongering by certain elements the NHS and Covid testing are working.

    My wife had a phone consultation on Thursday for an ongoing issue. She mentioned to the doc that she had a slight cough first thing in the morning. To be on the safe side her doctor advised she get a Covid test.

    We went on line at 10:00am, took the first appointment offered,12:00 noon, drove to the test site some 15 miles away, a slow trickle of cars arriving and departing, worked our way through the little "production line", had the sample taken by a tester and were on our way in less than 10 minutes on site. 36 hours later we received an email telling us she was in the clear. Brilliant and full marks to all concerned.

    It is not until you actually experience it you realise what an amazing feat of logistics the whole process is. Find potentially suitable sites, carry out initial suitability surveys, approach land owner and get permission to use the land, approach local council for permission for "change of use", carry out detailed survey to design site layout to keep potentially infected people away from others and avoiding traffic bottlenecks, carry out risk and HSE assessments, layout site with markers, barriers etc., etc., sign approaches, recruit and train testing staff, obtain testing laboratory capacity, ramp up site capacity, transport test samples to laboratories, carry out tests, report result to patients and others.

    Yes we have had problems ramping up capacity, not entirely unexpected for such a mammoth exercise, but we are not alone. See https://www.thelocal.com/20200909/do...-actually-work.

    I read elsewhere the biggest issue is/will be people. People not self isolating when advised to and people not being able to be contacted through "trace" procedures. No doubt the behavioural scientists are well aware of the "problems with people"!

    #2
    Yes, they are testing

    What they are not doing is tracking and tracing contacts of positive tests. It is a far, far bigger problem than not isolating. We could test millions every week, completely pointless if you are not tracing. That is why it should have been done while the infections were low so track and trace could stay on top of the infections.
    Sadly it is now probably to late, and the only way we will be able to have an effective T&T is by having another lockdown and getting the infections down

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      #3
      Fact Checking:

      If it is working and we are testing to capacity, why on the 13th October did we have unused capacity of over 125,000 tests??

      BTW does anyone know what the average turnaround time is currently??

      OOI China managed to test a complete city of 5 million residents in 5 days.

      Annie

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        #4
        Our DIL a Junior school teacher had to have a test a couple of weeks ago, after a pupil in her class caught the virus, the child’s father had tested positive and passed it on to the child. Thankfully our DIL who is classed as vulnerable (due to life long medical conditions) her test proved negative. She was able to go to a temporary testing station set up by the army in one of our seafront car parks.

        As of yesterday she had eleven children in her class off school. A local senior school has closed for at least 3 weeks due to the virus at the school.
        Last edited by Delboy, Essex; 17th October 2020, 11:39 AM.
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          #5
          Originally posted by Delboy, Essex View Post
          Our DIL a Junior school teacher had to have a test a couple of weeks ago, after pupil in her class caught the virus, the child’s father had tested positive and passed it on to the child. Thankfully our DIL who is classed as vulnerable (due to life long medical conditions) test proved negative. She was able to go to a temporary testing station set up by the army in one of our seafront car parks.

          As of yesterday she had eleven children in her class off school. A local senior school has closed for at least 3 weeks due to the virus at the school.
          Delighted it worked out for your DIL.

          The original child test would probably be recorded as an education setting which is misleading. Curious was the child asymptomatic??

          Were the 11 children asymptomatic??

          Annie

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            #6
            Originally posted by annie, Glasgow View Post

            Delighted it worked out for your DIL.

            The original child test would probably be recorded as an education setting which is misleading. Curious was the child asymptomatic??

            Were the 11 children asymptomatic??

            Annie
            As for the children being asymptomatic or how the child’s case was recorded sorry I do not have that information.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Delboy, Essex View Post

              As for the children being asymptomatic or how the child’s case was recorded sorry I do not have that information.
              Thanks Delboy - I was just curious.

              Annie

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                #8
                I dont believe it is working, since masks have become compulsory in wales we have been in lockdown ( sept 8th ) now it looks like we are going for a circuit break, fire break, whatever they are calling it, numbers are aparantly getting worse and wales is locked up... I might be being a bit thick here but after being in lockdown for neraly 6 weeks now shouldnt things start to improve? Could it be thats its half term and nobody is allowed to go anywhere or is that me being cynical??!! take care heather x

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                  #9
                  Glad to hear that Johnrs OH is ok and Delboys DIL .
                  However,your experience is a snapshot as every individuals is too.
                  What about when people were being told to travel hundreds of miles and couldn't get a test for days?
                  In areas of high infection rates there are still similar issues.
                  These are not made up stories to make it look worse.Plenty of examples of lost tests too.
                  As Andyn also points out the percentage figures of contacting people who have been in touch with people who have tested positive is really poor.
                  Added to that 2,000 contact tracers have been laid off at a time when the virus is rising rapidly.
                  The system is so fragmented on some occasions the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

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                    #10
                    I'd love to know where people are catching it. I wear my mask, keep away from strangers and wash my hands, as do the majority of people, so if it works, it shouldn't still be bad ...............................Carol

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by carol, welwyn garden city View Post
                      I'd love to know where people are catching it. I wear my mask, keep away from strangers and wash my hands, as do the majority of people, so if it works, it shouldn't still be bad ...............................Carol
                      Those measures do work and are our best bet until a vaccine is found. Colds and the flu are transmitted in a similar way.

                      The test and trace people in Scotland say many transmissions are within a household.

                      There was an outbreak in S. Uist which was traced back to workers car sharing.

                      So if the virus is still rampant, the 3 preventative measures are not being followed??

                      Another huge factor must be people are not self isolating when asked.

                      Annie



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                        #12
                        Originally posted by annie, Glasgow View Post
                        Fact Checking:

                        If it is working and we are testing to capacity, why on the 13th October did we have unused capacity of over 125,000 tests??

                        BTW does anyone know what the average turnaround time is currently??

                        OOI China managed to test a complete city of 5 million residents in 5 days.

                        Annie
                        The turnaround data is published every week for England

                        https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...weekly-reports


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                          #13
                          Originally posted by annie, Glasgow View Post
                          Fact Checking:

                          If it is working and we are testing to capacity, why on the 13th October did we have unused capacity of over 125,000 tests??

                          BTW does anyone know what the average turnaround time is currently??

                          OOI China managed to test a complete city of 5 million residents in 5 days.

                          Annie
                          It is easy in China. The government says “Get tested, if you don’t we will shoot you”. Works every time.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by annie, Glasgow View Post

                            Those measures do work and are our best bet until a vaccine is found. Colds and the flu are transmitted in a similar way.

                            The test and trace people in Scotland say many transmissions are within a household.

                            There was an outbreak in S. Uist which was traced back to workers car sharing.

                            So if the virus is still rampant, the 3 preventative measures are not being followed??

                            Another huge factor must be people are not self isolating when asked.

                            Annie


                            Trouble with self isolating is, if you haven't got any symptoms you are not going to know that you have it, so you won't self isolate or get a test! ...................................Carol

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                              #15
                              numbers for week(1-7Oct need a slightly different analysis as they are playing catch up with 11,000

                              89,874 positive
                              87,918 transferred(76,918 removing catch up 85.6%)
                              67,511 contacted(76.8%)

                              65.7 Positives reached removing catch up.

                              85.2% of positives contacted provided their contacts (median number is 3 contacts 5 for complex cases. new information)

                              56% contact identified

                              57.6% non complex contacts reached

                              32.3% contacts traced and contacted(non complex, the complex cased do much better).

                              they have moved that table to the bottom to hide how bad it really is.


                              The majority 70% of contacts are still same household so should already be isolating.




                              Everywhere is up on contributing to the mess we are in but education top of the table again.

                              1211 new ARI incidents have been reported in week 41 in the UK (Figure 14):
                              • 321 incidents were from care homes where 214 had at least one linked case that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2
                              • 66 incidents were from hospitals where 52 had at least one linked case that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2
                              • 336 incidents were from educational settings where 279 had at least one linked case that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2
                              • 9 incidents were from prisons where 6 had at least one linked case that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2
                              • 273 incidents were from workplace settings where 178 had at least one linked case that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2
                              • 40 incidents were from food outlet/restaurant settings where 29 had at least one linked case that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2
                              • 166 incidents were from the other settings category where 111 had at least one linked case that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2



                              clearly not save at school or work but lets close the restaurants and pubs and see if that fixes it
                              (they have taken out the education breakdown but it has been schools that contributed most outbreks previous weeks.

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