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    #31
    Originally posted by carol, welwyn garden city View Post

    Yes it was 30, I was planning a party, but that is now on hold!! .................................................. ............Carol

    these were the guidelines late Aug.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20200903...an-and-cant-do 1.3 What should I still avoid doing?

    It remains the case that you should not:
    • socialise indoors in groups of more than two households (anyone in your support bubble counts as one household) – this includes when dining out or going to the pub
    • socialise outdoors in a group of more than six people from different households; gatherings larger than six should only take place if everyone is from exclusively from two households or support bubbles

    Even with privates outdoor space limit of 30 rule you were supposed to stay in groups of no more than 2 households or 6 people

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      #32
      Originally posted by Topdeck, London View Post


      these were the guidelines late Aug.

      https://web.archive.org/web/20200903...an-and-cant-do 1.3 What should I still avoid doing?

      It remains the case that you should not:
      • socialise indoors in groups of more than two households (anyone in your support bubble counts as one household) – this includes when dining out or going to the pub
      • socialise outdoors in a group of more than six people from different households; gatherings larger than six should only take place if everyone is from exclusively from two households or support bubbles

      Even with privates outdoor space limit of 30 rule you were supposed to stay in groups of no more than 2 households or 6 people
      That doesn't make sense, there are not many households that have 15 people in them x 2 would make 30. I thought they said you could create your own bubbles ..........................................Carol

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        #33
        Originally posted by tdb, Brentwood View Post
        And now the despicable clown Johnson is telling people to speak to their neighbours about any breaches of the rule of 6 before calling the police. Totally stupid and irresponsible. Wonder how often the police - especially after the police are still called because the neighbours don’t take kindly to the contact - will then have to deal with serious, perhaps long term, animosity, sometimes including physical harm, when neighbours react!
        You would rather neighbours called the police first rather than a gentle word to the neighbour or better still let the neighbours get on with it and possibly spread the virus in the neighbourhood? Oh well.

        We will all be in total lockdown again soon because some/many people are being selfish and not adhering to the latest advice in a fast moving situation.

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          #34
          Last week we had a few days away. We went to Merseyside (Liverpool, Ellesmere Port, Wirral), Lancashire (Haydock) and returned home via Rhondda Cynon Taf, where my elder son and daughter in law live. All those places are now under lockdown. I'll be visiting a place near you soon.
          Logic will get you from A to B.
          Imagination will take you everywhere.

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            #35
            Originally posted by carol, welwyn garden city View Post

            That doesn't make sense, there are not many households that have 15 people in them x 2 would make 30. I thought they said you could create your own bubbles ..........................................Carol
            I'll be honest I never understood the 2 household/30 persons rule which operated in England. I believe people just followed the rule of 30.

            Annie

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              #36
              week 38 (The report is based on data from week 37 between 7 August and 13 September 2020)
              https://assets.publishing.service.go...k_38_FINAL.pdf


              Care home back up to silly number they were <50 for 2 weeks

              Education a now right mess were under 10 , 16 last week (Secondary and primary around for >75% of the cases)

              Workplace on the rise (were ~30 50 last week)

              Food on the decline (34 last week)

              729 new ARI incidents have been reported in week 37 (Figure 19):
              • 313 incidents were from care homes where 228 had at least one linked case that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2
              • 18 incidents were from hospitals where 13 had at least one linked case that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2
              • 193 incidents were from educational settings where 110 had at least one linked case that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2
              • 4 incidents were from prisons where 3 had at least one linked case that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2
              • 110 incidents were from workplace settings where 92 had at least one linked case that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2
              • 34 incidents were from food outlet/restaurant settings where 25 had at least one linked case that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2
              • 57 incidents were from the other settings category where 39 had at least one linked case that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2


              week38.png

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                #37
                Originally posted by Topdeck, London View Post
                week 38 (The report is based on data from week 37 between 7 August and 13 September 2020)
                https://assets.publishing.service.go...k_38_FINAL.pdf


                Care home back up to silly number they were <50 for 2 weeks

                Education a now right mess were under 10 , 16 last week (Secondary and primary around for >75% of the cases)

                Workplace on the rise (were ~30 50 last week)

                Food on the decline (34 last week)

                729 new ARI incidents have been reported in week 37 (Figure 19):
                • 313 incidents were from care homes where 228 had at least one linked case that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2
                • 18 incidents were from hospitals where 13 had at least one linked case that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2
                • 193 incidents were from educational settings where 110 had at least one linked case that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2
                • 4 incidents were from prisons where 3 had at least one linked case that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2
                • 110 incidents were from workplace settings where 92 had at least one linked case that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2
                • 34 incidents were from food outlet/restaurant settings where 25 had at least one linked case that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2
                • 57 incidents were from the other settings category where 39 had at least one linked case that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2


                week38.png
                So where is the evidence for 17-29 year olds, pubs and households being the cause ?

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                  #38
                  ONS today


                  Infection survey


                  The number of people in England who have tested positive for the coronavirus (COVID-19) has increased in recent weeks.

                  An estimated 59,800 people within the community population in England had COVID-19 during the latest week, from 4 to 10 September 2020, equating to around 1 in 900 people.

                  Younger age groups have seen the greatest increase in infection rates, particularly those aged 2 to 11, 17 to 24 and 25 to 34 years.

                  https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...dup/2020-03-26

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                    #39
                    I saw this today on Facebook, made me chuckle -

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by andyn, Bucks View Post

                      So where is the evidence for 17-29 year olds, pubs and households being the cause ?
                      if you follow the link there are age pyramids for positive cases in the last 2 weeks pg6(fig 2.b).

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                        #41
                        Although the numbers are going up partly because there is more testing the real issue is that a higher % are testing positive around double what it was a few weeks back.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by JohnR, Chippenham View Post
                          You would rather neighbours called the police first rather than a gentle word to the neighbour or better still let the neighbours get on with it and possibly spread the virus in the neighbourhood? Oh well.

                          We will all be in total lockdown again soon because some/many people are being selfish and not adhering to the latest advice in a fast moving situation.
                          While sceptical about the government’s handling of Covid 19, I doubt any other political leaders would have done much better and I comply conscientiously with their ‘rules’ so I will observe the rule of 6 - even though there are many (perhaps the majority) who see little sense in it. But, unlike the pompous and arrogant, I would prefer that people use common sense when judging and dealing with the conduct of others!! Neighbours, exercising moderate judgement, marginally exceeding the rule of 6 - and many, even on this website, point out the anomalies that undermine the rule - don’t need effectively being ‘told off’ and threatened with being reported to the police. Neighbours wantonly and wilfully breaking the rule of 6 with hordes in a party are exactly the sort who will often react nastily.​​​​​​
                          ​​​​​Sensible people will take action proportionate to any breach of the rule of 6; report to the police gross breaches while not provoking neighbour ill-will telling them off and effectively threatening to tell the police over minor breaches!

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                            #43
                            There are those that break it wilfully and those through ignorance.However,its not realistic in my view to solely blame one group or sector.The mixed messages and confused regulations have contributed to where we are now.
                            In theory ,the rule of 6 is easier but the exceptions make no sense.You can go into a packed pub or restaurant and fly on a packed plane but you can't meet family more than 6 (unless you meet in one of the aforementioned or on a grouse shoot).
                            Following the science is happening less and less.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by philhar, wallasey View Post
                              There are those that break it wilfully and those through ignorance.However,its not realistic in my view to solely blame one group or sector.The mixed messages and confused regulations have contributed to where we are now.
                              In theory ,the rule of 6 is easier but the exceptions make no sense.You can go into a packed pub or restaurant and fly on a packed plane but you can't meet family more than 6 (unless you meet in one of the aforementioned or on a grouse shoot).
                              Following the science is happening less and less.

                              You should not be going out as multiple groups(6/2house) and interacting between groups(except for the limited exceptions) that rule has not changed


                              Commercial premises like pubs need to follow the COVID secure guidelines.

                              https://www.gov.uk/guidance/working-...virus-covid-19


                              The rules on support bubbles have changed.

                              https://www.gov.uk/guidance/making-a...ther-household


                              there is a new FAQ for the recent changes
                              https://www.gov.uk/government/public...an-and-cant-do

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                                #45
                                I went to a funeral on Monday, there were 26 of us at the service, we then went to a pub, which was empty except for us, so we had 4 tables (only 20 went to the pub) The tables were about a metre apart, the pub were quite happy as long as we didn't stand up at another table. .................................................. .Carol

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