It is not always the children to blame

[jc, liverpool]

Do the members own the premises?

Hi TD
No,,it’s very complicated,,a guy who lived in a house next door owned the club during the war,,,he left in trust to be run by a committee.
It has a covenant on that says it can only be used as a social club to benefit the local community.

A few years ago a rumour spread that a builder had offered £1m for it and the land.
At the time we had 700 members,at renewal time we had another 1000 applications.

The owner was traced years ago to be a very old lady in Australia who was happy for things to continue.
If we went bust I think the club and land would revert to her or her relatives.

JC

[annie, Glasgow]

Hi TD
No,,it’s very complicated,,a guy who lived in a house next door owned the club during the war,,,he left in trust to be run by a committee.
It has a covenant on that says it can only be used as a social club to benefit the local community.

A few years ago a rumour spread that a builder had offered £1m for it and the land.
At the time we had 700 members,at renewal time we had another 1000 applications.

The owner was traced years ago to be a very old lady in Australia who was happy for things to continue.
If we went bust I think the club and land would revert to her or her relatives.

JC

Does the club pay rent??

The clubs, of which I have knowledge, own their property outright.

Annie

PS We had a local social club who cashed in their property and land and sold out to a builder.

[Topdeck, London]

Trusts can work if written up properly, but do have issues if no one will run something.
Do the council have their snouts in the trough


One of the many clubs in our town(some very old connected to previous/present local business) was relatively new(2004) replacing an old unit as part of a wider housing development.
There were some dodgy things going on with the people running it, they traded for a while after losing their club status but eventual the receivers came in.

Receivers had been trying(not very hard) to get communities to run something but wanted too much money.

After playing the waiting game it got sold then after about 18 months new owners put in a planning app to convert to more apartments with loads of waffle about how no communities want the place.

It was up for sale(freehold) at £1m but when the planning app went in they put the price up to £1.5m its under 10k sqft with no land.


Loads of objections, also calls for funding money from various public services, I suspect the council will give up eventually,


There is another club in town that is struggling a bit, but very popular with the oldies(cheap life membership), it opened in 1887 I suspect that is probably a trust built by a philanthropist for the workers

[andyn, Bucks]

So the pubs could not have been responsible for last week's spike.

On Eire:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/heal...rise-1.4360911

Pubs are not the problem.

In Scotland, from the test and trace data, they are pointing the finger at younger women and house parties e.g.. baby showers.

Annie

Not sure how we managed to get round to blaming pubs and restaurants.
I expected the rate to start climbing during August when everyone was out using EOTHO. The pubs and restaurants we used were all busy.
The beginning of September, schools go back, Universities start up and everyone is told to go back to work. The infection rate starts to rise and it is because of pubs and restaurants?????

[jc, liverpool]

Hi Andy
Kay Burley put it to Dominic Rabb this morning less than 5% of infections came from the hospitality industry.he waffled something about young ones getting drunk.
Wetherspoon reported one Covid-19 infection from 891 pubs.

Boris had to be seen to do something.
JC

[annie, Glasgow]

Not sure how we managed to get round to blaming pubs and restaurants.
I expected the rate to start climbing during August when everyone was out using EOTHO. The pubs and restaurants we used were all busy.
The beginning of September, schools go back, Universities start up and everyone is told to go back to work. The infection rate starts to rise and it is because of pubs and restaurants?????

Scottish and NI recent data point to household transmissions as the primary driver currently.

Annie

[jc, liverpool]

Hi all
Seen a comment this morning....
The last time s government imposed opening time restrictions on pubs was 1918.
It took 24 years to get back to how it was,,,,arggggh !!

Give governments an inch,they will take a yard.
JC

[andyn, Bucks]

Hi all
Seen a comment this morning....
The last time s government imposed opening time restrictions on pubs was 1918.
It took 24 years to get back to how it was,,,,arggggh !!

Give governments an inch,they will take a yard.
JC

The virus is going to be very confused when the clocks go back

[Topdeck, London]

Hi Andy
Kay Burley put it to Dominic Rabb this morning less than 5% of infections came from the hospitality industry.he waffled something about young ones getting drunk.
Wetherspoon reported one Covid-19 infection from 891 pubs.

Boris had to be seen to do something.
JC

Not quite that good for spoons

What Tim has said(extracting from express) yesterday

He continued: "There is hardly any infection being passed on in pubs, 800 of our 861 pubs have had no infections whatsoever.

"Another 40 have only had 1 infection,



going back to a few other reports.

14sept.

The company said it had 32m customer visits to its 861 pubs open in the 10 weeks since 4 July. During this period, 66 of its 41,564 staff tested positive for coronavirus.
(another repots says 50 pubs)

21st Sept
At least 30 staff at a Wetherspoon branch in Liverpool are self-isolating after 12 tested positive

18th Sept.

Eight members of staff from a Wetherspoon pub in Swansea have tested positive

.................................................. .......
I the pubs I go to are anything to go by very busy for the first couple of week in July then it tailed off, uplift in Aug for Eat out and then quiet again.


It's 11 weeks since Hospitality opened up and any impact has been minimal(you expect changes to numbers to start in the second week)


if you look at the outbreak data(where there is more than 1 case) it all kicked off once education opened, care homes have taken off again with education and workplaces not far behind.

hospitality is still not seeing many outbreaks.


Rhinovirus in the 5-14 ages groups has rocketed as well

[Topdeck, London]

A really concerning indicator is the hospital admission are going up(from quite low levels), especially for the 75+(50%) and 85+(100%) some will be connected to care homes, what will be interesting is how many are living in their own homes and someone is bringing it in(not sure if that data is published any more).


Once anyone in your household has a change of regular contacts you should consider them as a new higher risk in your personal bubble, ideally taking extra care of your social distance protocols.

[jc, liverpool]

Hi all
Here's our club rules,,,,some of the committee have volunteered to be topless waiters,,,, trouble is they are all over 70 yrs old,,,over 17st with 60yrs of beer in their bellys,,not a pretty sight but added entertainment for the night,,,,that alone should clear the club by 10pm.

IMPORTANT UPDATE.
.......................................
Covid 19 Restrictions and Requirements,
until further Notice.
Club will be Members Only.
Membership applications are available from the Reception Doorman.
All members must sign in for government Track and Trace.
All must follow floor markings guidance.
Table Service Only.
Last Orders 9:30pm
Snooker,
the last Frame played must be completed by 9:50pm.
It is compulsory to wear face coverings whilst entering and exiting the club or when not seated as per requirements, unless exempt.
Please stick to social distancing guidance.
Please do not visit tables outside of your own bubble.
Please respect other members bubble.
OPENING TIMES -- Sports Bar
Friday - 6pm to 10pm.
Sat - 5pm to 10pm.
Sun - 1pm to 10pm.
OPENING TIMES – Concert Room
Sat - 6pm to 10pm.
Sun - 6pm to 10pm.
Entertainment will continue as was prior to restrictions.
Everything will be 2 hours earlier.....Bingo @8pm

The Committee would like to thank all members for your continued support during this difficult time during Government restrictions.

Support your local club & Live music.

JC

[Topdeck, London]

Yesterday was new rules day, after being totally clueless Wed afternoon they got organized.

The QR signs for the NHS app are all over the place, they are large you can't miss them.

No entry without a mask, and stern reminders to those that forget to put them on when moving about this was managed by regular staff in the afternoon.

A section of the pub is for table service where you can order from the table with a member of staff, other tables are APP only, worked well but it was quiet.

Around 5:45 two door staff(bouncers) arrived and set themselves up to start managing the entry, they would normally start around 8pm
Went home, be interesting to here how it goes over the weekend while we are away.

rules are simple

• 9pm last food order
• 9.30pm last drinks order
• 10pm pub closes and all customers must leave by this time