It is not always the children to blame

[annie, Glasgow]

How is the pub rule going to stop household transmission??

In NI and Scotland, they have highlighted the family gatherings as the primary cause. Even in Dublin, where the 'wet' pubs have never re-opened, they are experiencing a spike.

Annie

[andyn, Bucks]

Covid: Pubs and restaurants in England to have 10pm closing times https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54242634

Not going to squeal, myself I am usually out of the pub around 10pm unless there is something on, but would like an explanation, maybe Boris will provide one this evening....

How will this achieve anything apart from shut down more pubs and restaurants and more redundancies? Restaurants are already struggling with reduced capacity so need the hours to add additional turns.
Customers will just go to the pub earlier, the pubs will be busier, and then everyone is kicked out at 10pm to all gather on trains, buses or taxi ranks at the same time.

[jc, liverpool]

How is the pub rule going to stop household transmission??

In NI and Scotland, they have highlighted the family gatherings as the primary cause. Even in Dublin, where the 'wet' pubs have never re-opened, they are experiencing a spike.

Annie

Hi Annie
The ‘wet pubs’ in Ireland opened up for the first time in 6 months yesterday.
JC

[sandraggg, Newcastle]

I wonder if they will force cinemas to close at 10pm too. That is now the case in the North East.

We've visited several cinemas since they reopened and the safety measures taken in all of them have been very reassuring.

A lot of cinemas must be struggling at present and if they are forced to ditch all the screenings that start after (say) 7pm, that would seem to be unnecessarily punitive. I'd hate to see any of them going out of business.

[annie, Glasgow]

Hi Annie
The ‘wet pubs’ in Ireland opened up for the first time in 6 months yesterday.
JC

So the pubs could not have been responsible for last week's spike.

On Eire:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/heal...rise-1.4360911

Pubs are not the problem.

In Scotland, from the test and trace data, they are pointing the finger at younger women and house parties e.g.. baby showers.

Annie

[jc, liverpool]

Hi all.
Is this a new one,,,or does it just mean no standing or ordering at the bar?

From Thursday, all pubs, bars and restaurants must be table service only and close at 10pm - but delivery services can remain open

In my club we only have x2 bar staff at the moment,,one in the Concert Room and one in the Bar/Lounge,,,there is no way they can take orders/pull pints and deliver them to tables.

I think the club will be closing.
JC

[annie, Glasgow]

Hi all.
Is this a new one,,,or does it just mean no standing or ordering at the bar?


In my club we only have x2 bar staff at the moment,,one in the Concert Room and one in the Bar/Lounge,,,there is no way they can take orders/pull pints and deliver them to tables.

I think the club will be closing.
JC

In Scotland, my experience has been when you enter a pub, you are assigned a table and someone takes and delivers your order to the table. No standing is allowed anywhere. You are not allowed to swap tables or move them.

Annie

PS Could your club not employ more staff??

[Delboy, Essex]

Think it means table service only in pubs and restaurants. In some restaurants you can only order via an app on your phone

Had to go into town today first time for 2/3 weeks, noticed two differences from last visit, Greg’s now doing operating table service, last visit it was take away only.

Secondly the number of people wearing masks as they walked along the high street has vastly increased, would say now the majority.. Last visit people only seemed to be putting masks on as they entered a shop and take them off as they came out.

[jc, liverpool]

In Scotland, my experience has been when you enter a pub, you are assigned a table and someone takes and delivers your order to the table. No standing is allowed anywhere. You are not allowed to swap tables or move them.

Annie

PS Could your club not employ more staff??

Hi Annie
More staff = more cost.
Workingmens Clubs all over the country are barely surviving.

JC

[Topdeck, London]

We have a mixed system in my pub, table service tends to be quicker order on the app(if what you want is on it) and there are more than 2 in the queue.

Single queue at the bar, if multiple staff available they will take the next one out of the queue to a different till(card only).


Test and trace is telling us nothing as they are not contacting enough people in time if at all and no back tracing to source.

those that are volunteering contact info over 70% are house hold or visitor to household.


Another change that came in last week in case you missed it
Support bubbles are now fixed, you are stuck with the one you have,

[andyn, Bucks]

Hi Annie
More staff = more cost.
Workingmens Clubs all over the country are barely surviving.

JC

How about having a table by the bar and the drinks are delivered to that table, you then get your drinks and take to your table......table service

[annie, Glasgow]

Hi Annie
More staff = more cost.
Workingmens Clubs all over the country are barely surviving.

JC

I know that but the alternative you say is closure??

The members have a choice, pay a covid levy( or higher prices) for as long as required or choose to close.

Does your WMC not have a contingency reserve??

I maintained the accounts for a local club decades ago and we always allocated 10 percent of the surplus into the rainy day fund. BTW we always had a surplus.

You have a choice.

Annie

[andyn, Bucks]

I know that but the alternative you say is closure??

The members have a choice, pay a covid levy( or higher prices) for as long as required or choose to close.

Does your WMC not have a contingency reserve??

I maintained the accounts for a local club decades ago and we always allocated 10 percent of the surplus into the rainy day fund. BTW we always had a surplus.

You have a choice.

Annie

Decades ago, clubs had a lot of members and customers, these days most places are barely surviving, and if this is for 6 months that will be the end for many of them

[jc, liverpool]

I know that but the alternative you say is closure??

The members have a choice, pay a covid levy( or higher prices) for as long as required or choose to close.

Does your WMC not have a contingency reserve??

I maintained the accounts for a local club decades ago and we always allocated 10 percent of the surplus into the rainy day fund. BTW we always had a surplus.

You have a choice.

Annie

Hi Annie.
Yes we do,,,it’s called Hobson Choice....ie No choice at all.

Yes we had a reserve,but we also had aN earlier 4 month shutdown...

In the case of many WMC 10% of surplus is 10% of nothing.
Decades ago you couldn’t get into our club after 20:00 it was full,,we were paying over £1000 for turns,,these days we have had to stop bands and only pay £100 for pub singers.

You really are out of touch Annie.

JC

[annie, Glasgow]

Decades ago, clubs had a lot of members and customers, these days most places are barely surviving, and if this is for 6 months that will be the end for many of them

In Scotland, we are reviewing the new regulations on a 3 weekly basis.

I cannot comment on the position of any WMC unless I saw the accounts.

If their position is so precarious, why have they stayed open??

Ultimately the members will decide - stump up (in one form or the other) or close.

Annie

BTW The committee members could fill the extra positions required by volunteering on a temporary basis. That is how many Credit Unions survive - a mixture of volunteers and paid staff.