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    Hi Everyone

    Italy is about to enter it's 4th week of lock down, but there seems to be no end to the suffering there, hundreds of people are dying every day, what are they doing wrong?

    Spain is now seeing big jumps in the death rate since the lock down started, so are lock downs the way forward? Why does the death rate accelerate when the lock downs start? ...........................................Carol


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    Originally posted by carol, welwyn garden city View Post
    Hi Everyone

    Italy is about to enter it's 4th week of lock down, but there seems to be no end to the suffering there, hundreds of people are dying every day, what are they doing wrong?

    Spain is now seeing big jumps in the death rate since the lock down started, so are lock downs the way forward? Why does the death rate accelerate when the lock downs start? ...........................................Carol
    There are multiple factors here but according to a Chinese scientist, they did not lock down hard enough. The pubs closed so they moved the socialising to their homes holding dinner parties etc. Public transport was not locked down and they were allowed to play sport outside the home.

    Remember multiple generations often live in the one large household ; lifestyle choices - Italians smoke heavily -covid19 attacks the respiratory system.

    Interestingly the gender split amongst the deceased is 2: 1 men : women.

    They also have the 2nd oldest population in the world.

    More interesting question maybe why does Japan have such low numbers.

    Annie
    Last edited by annie, Glasgow; 22nd March 2020, 07:10 PM.

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      #3
      Italians are very family orientated. They habitually kiss and embrace each other when they meet. I believe more Italians than British live in apartments. Italians habitually ignore rules. It's a different society to ours. These are a few possible reasons. I'm sure there are many more.

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        #4
        McDonalds to close all their restaurants , drive through and takeaways.
        Now folks will start to take notice...

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          Lock downs not enough to defeat Coronavirus

          Countries can’t simply lock down their societies to defeat coronavirus, the World Health Organization’s top emergency expert said on Sunday, adding that public health measures are needed to avoid a resurgence of the virus later on.


          https://in.reuters.com/article/healt...-idINKBN2190E2




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            Originally posted by Garfield, Waterlooville View Post
            McDonalds to close all their restaurants , drive through and takeaways.
            Now folks will start to take notice...

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              #7
              Originally posted by carol, welwyn garden city View Post
              Hi Everyone

              Italy is about to enter it's 4th week of lock down, but there seems to be no end to the suffering there, hundreds of people are dying every day, what are they doing wrong?

              Spain is now seeing big jumps in the death rate since the lock down started, so are lock downs the way forward? Why does the death rate accelerate when the lock downs start? ...........................................Carol
              Good news Carol, if today's numbers are complete, big drop in Spanish number new infections today.

              Annie

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                #8
                Originally posted by carol, welwyn garden city View Post
                Hi Everyone

                Italy is about to enter it's 4th week of lock down, but there seems to be no end to the suffering there, hundreds of people are dying every day, what are they doing wrong?

                Spain is now seeing big jumps in the death rate since the lock down started, so are lock downs the way forward? Why does the death rate accelerate when the lock downs start? ...........................................Carol
                Would the number of deaths have increased even more without ratcheting up lockdown etc?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by JohnR, Chippenham View Post
                  Would the number of deaths have increased even more without ratcheting up lockdown etc?
                  Yes!

                  An issue they have is that one of the Swiss cantons near the Italian border, Vallais, refuses to implement any restrictions in movement. Cafes and bars are open.I was curious why the Swiss numbers per head of population is 10 times that of the UK.

                  Annie

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                    a perspective on Italy

                    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-h...ts-died-italy/


                    in the UK, rates per thousand may be high in London but Wales and Hampshire are two other hotspots.

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                      I have a friend in New Zealand, she said there are just over 100 cases, but they have been put on lock down now. So sooner rather than later .................................................. Carol

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Topdeck, London View Post
                        a perspective on Italy

                        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-h...ts-died-italy/


                        in the UK, rates per thousand may be high in London but Wales and Hampshire are two other hotspots.
                        As they say " There are lies, damned lies and statistics". Nothing is ever as simple as it first seems.

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                          Surely for a Lockdown to work, every Country should have done it at the same time .................................................. .Carol

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                            #14
                            We also need to step up monitoring in the ports and airport to stop people coming into the country or quarantine them before being released now also. This started from travel into the country.

                            We need to learn lessons when all this is over and start to put some health monitoring into those coming through our ports and airports. We cannot have this again which has been ruinous for our economy, jobs and health system, with disastrous consequences for families of those who have died from all of this. It is also by far, not over yet. Who knows where we will be in a few months time - bankrupt and out of work people, business ruined, lives lost,

                            I am not sure what the answer is long term, but we definitely need to do more to avoid this happening again.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by carol, welwyn garden city View Post
                              Hi Everyone

                              Italy is about to enter it's 4th week of lock down, but there seems to be no end to the suffering there, hundreds of people are dying every day, what are they doing wrong?

                              Spain is now seeing big jumps in the death rate since the lock down started, so are lock downs the way forward? Why does the death rate accelerate when the lock downs start? ...........................................Carol
                              Some of these deaths are from those that have incubated the virus, become ill and been treated for some while. It may be some time before the lock down shows signs of working. Was it about 12 weeks before China saw improvement?

                              If everyone is living in family groups the spread will have been delayed, then they go out to buy groceries, the grocery store staff are exposed and on it continues. The only way to stop this is from complete lock down. No shopping for groceries or medicines and everything is delivered and left outside with no contact whatsoever.

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