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    https://news.sky.com/story/this-is-w...ke-up-12015199

    Shocking news today from Yemen. Little Salwa Ibrahim - 5 years old and weighing 3.5 kg, the same weight as a new born baby. UN said only half the money donated this year compared to last year. How can the world stand by and see such shocking pictures and suffering. This little girl was taken to hospital and denied a bed as they did not have one spare. Her mother feeds her fruit juice as that is all they have.
    Last edited by lucy, sutton; 27th June 2020, 08:58 PM.

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    Shocking and heartbreaking. There’s no surprise donations are half less than last year. The world is on its ar*e. I’m sure our planet is crying in despair.
    But what has happened to all the foreign aid given before this? Why are we still experiencing stories like this 30 years after the likes of Bob Geldof highlighter the plight of starving children around the world? What is the UN actually doing to protect these children under UN rights? Why aren’t governments taken to task?
    I don’t know the answers. I can’t read the link, I had to switch channels when it came on the news yesterday. Heartbreaking 💔
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      #3
      Originally posted by lucy, sutton View Post
      https://news.sky.com/story/this-is-w...ke-up-12015199

      Shocking news today from Yemen. Little Salwa Ibrahim - 5 years old and weighing 3.5 kg, the same weight as a new born baby. UN said only half the money donated this year compared to last year. How can the world stand by and see such shocking pictures and suffering. This little girl was taken to hospital and denied a bed as they did not have one spare. Her mother feeds her fruit juice as that is all they have.
      Thanks for posting Lucy. TBH most of the world doesn't give a damn

      If I was to post my view of why this happening, I would be entering the world of poltics and this is not a politics thread.

      One factor is the UK selling the Saudis arms.

      Have a link:

      https://www.msf.org.uk/article/yemen...plete%E2%80%9D

      Annie

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        #4
        This is tragic and an issue also elsewhere in the world.The UN had had to scale back operations in Yemen already though because of lack of cooperation with the UN and staff not being safe .As with all wars its the most vulnerable that suffer the most.

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          #5
          It's horrible, but nothing changes. If you threw all the money in the world at them it still wouldn't change, because of corrupt, greedy people.

          It still staggers me, how some people have so much and others have nothing .................................................. ..Carol

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            #6
            As with many conflicts, particularly in the Islamic world, religion is at root of the conflict in Yemen. Shia backed insurgents fighting the Sunni government. Even ISIS and Al-Qaeda are taking advantage of the instability in the area and waging their own "wars".

            Unfortunately battles are no longer fought on "remote" battlefields but in populated areas and as always it is the people that suffer. No one learns and we all get donor fatigue, particularly in the light of well documented charity scandals in the last few years.

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              #7
              The UN???

              Not for the first time caught with their pants down...literally.

              https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mpression=true

              Garf

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                #8
                Originally posted by lucy, sutton View Post
                https://news.sky.com/story/this-is-w...ke-up-12015199

                Shocking news today from Yemen. Little Salwa Ibrahim - 5 years old and weighing 3.5 kg, the same weight as a new born baby. UN said only half the money donated this year compared to last year. How can the world stand by and see such shocking pictures and suffering. This little girl was taken to hospital and denied a bed as they did not have one spare. Her mother feeds her fruit juice as that is all they have.
                Last week our government decreed that, from now on, foreign aid would only be given in cases which brought “value” to Britain. If you look back at any situation where governments of all wealthy countries have promised aid whether in times of earthquake, flood, plague or unusual famine (as opposed to usual) you’ll find that less than 50% is ever actually given. To their credit previous UK governments back as far as that of Tony Blair had each always been staunch in their support of such aid.

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                  #9
                  Hi Lucy.
                  It is shocking.
                  What chance do those little ones have in Yemen,when a country like Saudi Arabia armed to the teeth with western made weapons of mass destruction commits genicide against a small country like Yemen.

                  A war between tribes as JohnR says,,,but the violence from one side wholly disproportionate and indiscriminate.

                  JC
                  C P Scott,,,,,"Comment is Free,,but Facts are Sacred"
                  "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by BinleyBilly, Binley, Coventry View Post
                    sLast week our government decreed that, from now on, foreign aid would only be given in cases which brought “value” to Britain. If you look back at any situation where governments of all wealthy countries have promised aid whether in times of earthquake, flood, plague or unusual famine (as opposed to usual) you’ll find that less than 50% is ever actually given. To their credit previous UK governments back as far as that of Tony Blair had each always been staunch in their support of such aid.
                    Instead of giving money, which is a short term fix, more long term, they need to create jobs, buy and give livestock, support a way of life that gives self respect to people, so they can become more self sufficient. If chickens, goats and other livestock were given and education on how to look after livestock, then surely this is a more sustainable future. Projects such as this would surely be more useful. Chickens would provide eggs, goats could provide milk and other livestock meat. Providing clean water and land irrigation would surely be a start. Giving money is not the answer. Giving them a way to build up their lives better.

                    If you give money, then it can be taken and not go to where needed. If you oversee projects, then the money is more likely to go to build a better way of life.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by lucy, sutton View Post

                      Instead of giving money, which is a short term fix, more long term, they need to create jobs, buy and give livestock, support a way of life that gives self respect to people, so they can become more self sufficient. If chickens, goats and other livestock were given and education on how to look after livestock, then surely this is a more sustainable future. Projects such as this would surely be more useful. Chickens would provide eggs, goats could provide milk and other livestock meat. Providing clean water and land irrigation would surely be a start. Giving money is not the answer. Giving them a way to build up their lives better.

                      If you give money, then it can be taken and not go to where needed. If you oversee projects, then the money is more likely to go to build a better way of life.
                      There are many small scale charities who work tirelessly in order to help the poorest improve their conditions and chances of self improvement - Practical Action Nd Tree Aid to name but two. As you say, far better that our money, whether via government or just direct, goes to such charities so that it may be targeted and actually reach and support those intended.
                      One of the first things D. Trump did on becoming US president was to stop all financial aid that was being given by the US government in order to provide contraception education, advice and actual to the poorest and least educated in the Third World. Shameful and retrograde.

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                        Originally posted by jc, liverpool View Post
                        Hi Lucy.
                        It is shocking.
                        What chance do those little ones have in Yemen,when a country like Saudi Arabia armed to the teeth with western made weapons of mass destruction commits genicide against a small country like Yemen.

                        A war between tribes as JohnR says,,,but the violence from one side wholly disproportionate and indiscriminate.

                        JC
                        Without wishing to get too deep into the politics, as I understand it, Sunni Saudi Arabia is on the Sunni “government side” fighting against Shia Iran backed “rebels”. Iran has been a destabilising player in the Middle East for 50 years or more and never misses an opportunity to cause trouble.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by JohnR, Chippenham View Post

                          Without wishing to get too deep into the politics, as I understand it, Sunni Saudi Arabia is on the Sunni “government side” fighting against Shia Iran backed “rebels”. Iran has been a destabilising player in the Middle East for 50 years or more and never misses an opportunity to cause trouble.
                          Hi John
                          Doesn't alter the fact that Saudi Arabia is committing genocide on a monumental scale,,,,whilst the western governments sit back and do nothing,,,but sell them the weaponry to commit these atrocities.
                          Its a civil war between the Yemen government and Houthi rebels.

                          Saudi backed government and Iran backed Houthi.

                          I'm not taking sides,both commit atrocities,,,,i am saying that Saudi Arabia dropping bombs on Yeman with USA supplying most of the weapons is what is causing massive deaths and a famine in Yemen that could kill 3m Yemani civilians,is disproportionate.

                          Thats even recognised in the US Senate who last year passed a bill to stop supplying arms to Saudi Arabia,,,,,which was vetoed by Donald Trump,,,,,the senate wasn't able to override the veto.

                          Its not clear who we support in the ME,,,,one time enemies suddenly become friends,,,,as in Syria.

                          The Military-Industrial Complex has a lot to answer for.

                          JC
                          C P Scott,,,,,"Comment is Free,,but Facts are Sacred"
                          "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by jc, liverpool View Post
                            Hi John
                            Doesn't alter the fact that Saudi Arabia is committing genocide on a monumental scale,,,,whilst the western governments sit back and do nothing,,,but sell them the weaponry to commit these atrocities.
                            Its a civil war between the Yemen government and Houthi rebels.

                            Saudi backed government and Iran backed Houthi.

                            I'm not taking sides,both commit atrocities,,,,i am saying that Saudi Arabia dropping bombs on Yeman with USA supplying most of the weapons is what is causing massive deaths and a famine in Yemen that could kill 3m Yemani civilians,is disproportionate.

                            Thats even recognised in the US Senate who last year passed a bill to stop supplying arms to Saudi Arabia,,,,,which was vetoed by Donald Trump,,,,,the senate wasn't able to override the veto.

                            Its not clear who we support in the ME,,,,one time enemies suddenly become friends,,,,as in Syria.

                            The Military-Industrial Complex has a lot to answer for.

                            JC
                            We lived in the Middle East for nearly 20 years. I remember the Iranian Revolution and the seizure of the Grand Mosque in Mecca in‘79, the Iran-Iraq war throughout the ‘80’s and the Gulf War in the early ‘90s. Fortunately most of the time was in friendly pro British Oman. The whole area is very unstable and I am glad we are well out of it having left more than 20 years ago. I have no idea of the rights and wrongs of any of the past and current conflicts, there are so many factions jostling for dominance but as always it is the people who suffer.

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                              #15
                              Hi John
                              The ME is not my specialist subject,to many factions,I can never understand who's fighting who,,,,what side we should be on.

                              But you are right,,in most wars it's the people who suffer.

                              JC
                              C P Scott,,,,,"Comment is Free,,but Facts are Sacred"
                              "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.

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