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    I tried to find an existing thread to add this but then realised that loads of useful info is getting spread out in loads of threads

    First links to the SAGE etc page that have driven some of the UK decision process.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/groups...id-19-response

    There is a serious amount to get through and links to some quite important stuff if you wonder why something was done or not done.

    Now a couple of youtube channels I have referenced before that can be quite good to help understand some of the more complicated medical stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/MEDCRAMvideos/videos
    https://www.youtube.com/user/Campbellteaching/videos


    Want to follow trials
    https://covid-trials.com/

    global view
    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    What is of interest today is a new report out of France on the Vitamin D story.
    I will let Dr. Cambell tell you all about it.


    and another view


    #2
    Thanks again TD.

    Annie

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      #3
      Vitamin D thing is interesting. Given the almost total lack of sun between Sept. and March in this country, it could explain why we're comparatively badly hit. Glad I'm taking my daily tablet.

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        #4
        Originally posted by PeterM, Southwell View Post
        Vitamin D thing is interesting. Given the almost total lack of sun between Sept. and March in this country, it could explain why we're comparatively badly hit. Glad I'm taking my daily tablet.
        Me too.
        I have been taking VitD for months to counteract possible steroid tablet problems.
        Adcal D3. Available without prescription.

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          #5
          I came to the conclusion that even if it does not help with COVID there is more than enough evidence that is does help the body regulate itself in good ways, also very hard to OD.

          You also have to be aware of some of the other trace elements needed to make the body work, many are easy to get through diet.

          Still waiting for more video on the part ACE2 receptors play in the body as there may be something there as well

          With a lot of these substances it seems that if you have insufficient you still keep going but might be a bit more susceptible to things you won't notice until you are seriously deficient.


          Now if D does have a role to play, locking everyone inside was a great move.

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            #6
            What gets me is that Public Health England seem to dismiss vit D use without even carrying out a study. You'd have thought that in a country which can often have little sun this would be something worth looking at..

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              #7
              Hi all
              Seen a,I think,PHE advert pushing Nurofen for people with Covid-19 symptoms.

              It doesn't say Nurofen contains/is Ibuprofen,,,,which can be deadly for those with heart problems.

              Its the one thing the Heart surgeon stressed to me after my CABG op,,,,,,NO Ibuprofen!!!

              JC
              C P Scott,,,,,"Comment is Free,,but Facts are Sacred"
              "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.

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                #8
                Originally posted by jc, liverpool View Post
                Hi all
                Seen a,I think,PHE advert pushing Nurofen for people with Covid-19 symptoms.

                It doesn't say Nurofen contains/is Ibuprofen,,,,which can be deadly for those with heart problems.

                Its the one thing the Heart surgeon stressed to me after my CABG op,,,,,,NO Ibuprofen!!!

                JC
                Ibuprofen is on my barred list too.

                Annie

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by PeterM, Southwell View Post
                  Vitamin D thing is interesting. Given the almost total lack of sun between Sept. and March in this country, it could explain why we're comparatively badly hit. Glad I'm taking my daily tablet.
                  Slightly at a tangent, there was a study conducted possibly 10 years ago into why the Orkney Islands have the highest incidence rate of MS in the world. They thought it was linked to a Vitamin D deficiency. However a later study showed that Orcadians have higher levels of VIt D than most Scots so back to the drawing board.
                  However since that time I have always taken a Vit D supplement.
                  I am of that age group that enjoyed our milk at school and still do to this day.

                  Annie

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by jc, liverpool View Post
                    Hi all
                    Seen a,I think,PHE advert pushing Nurofen for people with Covid-19 symptoms.

                    It doesn't say Nurofen contains/is Ibuprofen,,,,which can be deadly for those with heart problems.

                    Its the one thing the Heart surgeon stressed to me after my CABG op,,,,,,NO Ibuprofen!!!

                    JC
                    Ditto Nurofen (very expensive Ibuprofen)/Aspirin for those with stomach problems. Can cause stomach ulcers or perforation, stomach bleeding, heartburn and so on.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by PeterM, Southwell View Post
                      What gets me is that Public Health England seem to dismiss vit D use without even carrying out a study. You'd have thought that in a country which can often have little sun this would be something worth looking at..
                      From the NHS website:
                      Coronavirus update

                      Consider taking 10 micrograms of vitamin D a day to keep your bones and muscles healthy.

                      This is because you may not be getting enough vitamin D from sunlight if you’re indoors most of the day.

                      There have been some news reports about vitamin D reducing the risk of coronavirus. However, there is currently not enough evidence to support this.

                      Do not buy more vitamin D than you need.



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                        #12
                        There seems to be a general reluctance to state fund lots of thing, study/trials seem to be part of that.
                        (except basket cases like HS2)

                        This means things need funding and often that means there has to be a chance of someone making money.
                        We lost a lot of medical funding projects were put on hold according to the person I know looking for a job in that area because of brexit.

                        An example of a covid related one is chloroquine some say you need zinc and a lot of the trials are not using zinc WHY?
                        I have not done more than glance at some reports and coverage of the lancet fiasco.

                        If any free/cheap/out of patent intervention works for anything then it means somewhere someone will lose money so they won't fund them

                        That leads to conspiracy theories that testing the cheap stuff gets suppressed.

                        NICE do cover vit.D so you an fall within those if you don't want to go crazy with the web based sugestions.

                        https://cks.nice.org.uk/vitamin-d-de...and-prevention

                        There is a chance we(UK) will be late to the party again(like masks and tracing) waiting for absolute proof it works rather than do a Tesco.



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                          #13
                          Originally posted by JohnR, Chippenham View Post
                          From the NHS website:
                          Coronavirus update

                          Consider taking 10 micrograms of vitamin D a day to keep your bones and muscles healthy.

                          This is because you may not be getting enough vitamin D from sunlight if you’re indoors most of the day.

                          There have been some news reports about vitamin D reducing the risk of coronavirus. However, there is currently not enough evidence to support this.

                          Do not buy more vitamin D than you need.


                          That was Dr. Campbell's point. There isn't enough evidence because we haven't done a study. Telling people not to buy more than they need will guarantee that people will panic buy.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by PeterM, Southwell View Post

                            Telling people not to buy more than they need will guarantee that people will panic buy.
                            Oh what a cynic Peter but you may be right.

                            I bought Vitamin D3 1000 IU at £7.95 for 450 tablets at the end February on Amazon so I have still got enough for the next 12 months. It is now £11.97 for the very same brand, Nutribioticals, and quantity. A 50% increase. Does someone know something?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by JohnR, Chippenham View Post
                              Oh what a cynic Peter but you may be right.

                              I bought Vitamin D3 1000 IU at £7.95 for 450 tablets at the end February on Amazon so I have still got enough for the next 12 months. It is now £11.97 for the very same brand, Nutribioticals, and quantity. A 50% increase. Does someone know something?
                              I ordered some a few weeks ago as I was getting low on them. My usual online pharmacy took the order but then refunded me as they were out of stock. I re-ordered from Holland and Barratt. Expensive, and took about 10 days to arrive. I seem to remember Boots being out of stock too at that time.

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