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    How many solo cruiser members are there here ?

    Hi there ... just read a very interesting section of the Berlitz 2012 Guide to Cruising (thanks to PG for recommendation) that 4 million solo passengers per year cruise which equates to 25% of the total cruising public.

    I would therefore like to do a straw poll of how many members of this forum are solo travellers (like me) and is there anything you'd like to see the cruise companies or agents do to help us ??

    For example I would like the agents/consultants to always quote a single supplement price on the deals they are advertising so we don't have to keep asking them for the solo cost each time.

    How about you?

    #2
    Hi Trevor,
    I am a solo cruiser and I agree that it might be nice to know from the advertisement what the solo cost will be. There is a snag though; if the cost is reasonable, many couples would prefer to have their own rooms, and if too many people chose the single room option, we would all end up paying extra because the cruise ship would not be carrying sufficient passengers to be viable. (I thinK)
    Probably better that we twist the TA's arm to have a better price. Goodnight

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      #3
      Hmmm never thought that many couples would prefer their own individual room I have to say but I guess that is a consideration but I'd still rather know the best solo occupancy rate from the TA up-front if I can. Nite nite

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        #4
        Originally posted by trevor432990, East Sussex View Post
        Hmmm never thought that many couples would prefer their own individual room I have to say but I guess that is a consideration but I'd still rather know the best solo occupancy rate from the TA up-front if I can. Nite nite
        Yes I would also like them to quote the solo price.
        Mary

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          #5
          I don't know where Berlitz got that 25% from but my experience seems to indicate that, at least for the british market, it is far too high.

          Example - three Thomson ships have single cabins which are no more than 3% of the total available. On several Thomson cruises I have only met the occassional solo passenger who was occupying a double cabin, usually because it was a last minute booking and they were desperate to get rid of the last cabins. Others have reported that if you want to occupy a double they charge 100% supplement compared with the normal Thomson approx 30-35%. A number of the single cabins were also occupied by members of a party who were not cruising on their own.

          Example - On Ventura recently only 12 people turned up to the hosted solo coffee mornings and if that represented half the solo cruisers it is less than 1% of the passengers.

          Example - Fred Olsens Balmoral has 91 single cabins but even that only represents 13% of the total. Given the older demographic that Fred is aimed at it is not surprising but not much use for us younger minded travellers.

          So 25% solos is far too high for the british market. There may well be a huge potential demand but the bottom line is that the cruise companies basically make more profit out of couples.

          If you are cruising solo you have to either book very early to get the cabin you want or attempt to book at the last minute and risk getting the bad cabins. Either way, you have to pay the single supplement so it is better to have lots of money!.

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            #6
            Originally posted by davecttr, gillingham View Post
            I don't know where Berlitz got that 25% from but my experience seems to indicate that, at least for the british market, it is far too high.

            Example - three Thomson ships have single cabins which are no more than 3% of the total available. On several Thomson cruises I have only met the occassional solo passenger who was occupying a double cabin, usually because it was a last minute booking and they were desperate to get rid of the last cabins. Others have reported that if you want to occupy a double they charge 100% supplement compared with the normal Thomson approx 30-35%. A number of the single cabins were also occupied by members of a party who were not cruising on their own.

            Example - On Ventura recently only 12 people turned up to the hosted solo coffee mornings and if that represented half the solo cruisers it is less than 1% of the passengers.

            Example - Fred Olsens Balmoral has 91 single cabins but even that only represents 13% of the total. Given the older demographic that Fred is aimed at it is not surprising but not much use for us younger minded travellers.

            So 25% solos is far too high for the british market. There may well be a huge potential demand but the bottom line is that the cruise companies basically make more profit out of couples.

            If you are cruising solo you have to either book very early to get the cabin you want or attempt to book at the last minute and risk getting the bad cabins. Either way, you have to pay the single supplement so it is better to have lots of money!.
            If the Berlitz guide covers world wide figures, then its probably right, there are 100s of cruise lines that we probably have never heard of, & in some cases we probably do not want to know about. The Italian cruise line, MSC, seems to have jumped on the Single cruise band wagon, likewise NCL, but perhaps not to such a great extent as MSC. I'm a single cruiser & over the last 2 years I have found perfectly acceptable Single cruise prices, but not with UK based companies, you do have to look for them but they are there.

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              #7
              You are probably right about the 'visible' ratio of solo cruisers in the UK being lower than 25% but I think that is mainly down to the fact that the cruise lines which operate from the UK do not cater for the solo passengers very well at all either because they offer very limited single cabin accommodation or by charging way too much in single supplement charges.

              P&O have introduced a few single cabins on the Azura but on checking several cruises over the next 12 months I see these are fully booked already so there is obviously a huge demand which is not being met. As a result we solo travellers are being forced to go further afield to find the deals we are looking for to places like the USA, Europe, Middle East, etc.

              Maybe one day the UK cruise lines will wake up to the fact they are losing a lot of trade this way and will start to rethink their policies but until then we solos will be using the fly-cruise route for the best value for money.

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                #8
                Originally posted by trevor432990, East Sussex View Post
                You are probably right about the 'visible' ratio of solo cruisers in the UK being lower than 25% but I think that is mainly down to the fact that the cruise lines which operate from the UK do not cater for the solo passengers very well at all either because they offer very limited single cabin accommodation or by charging way too much in single supplement charges.

                P&O have introduced a few single cabins on the Azura but on checking several cruises over the next 12 months I see these are fully booked already so there is obviously a huge demand which is not being met. As a result we solo travellers are being forced to go further afield to find the deals we are looking for to places like the USA, Europe, Middle East, etc.

                Maybe one day the UK cruise lines will wake up to the fact they are losing a lot of trade this way and will start to rethink their policies but until then we solos will be using the fly-cruise route for the best value for money.
                I doubt that I will fly again because I really love the simplicity of just cruising. It means that I will be able to afford far less cruises perhaps, but I do find it easier.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Elsie's Mum View Post


                  I doubt that I will fly again because I really love the simplicity of just cruising. It means that I will be able to afford far less cruises perhaps, but I do find it easier.
                  I quite agree it would be great to be able to just cruise away from the UK but I am not prepared to pay double for the privilege at least whilst I'm still mobile and air fares/taxes are reasonable.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by trevor432990, East Sussex View Post
                    I quite agree it would be great to be able to just cruise away from the UK but I am not prepared to pay double for the privilege at least whilst I'm still mobile and air fares/taxes are reasonable.
                    Unfortunately, I am a bit disabled although I could manage a flight if there was no alternative.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Elsie's Mum View Post
                      Unfortunately, I am a bit disabled although I could manage a flight if there was no alternative.
                      Understood. Well I guess for all us solos the best we can hope for is more cruise lines to start using the UK and increase competition generally across all areas.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Elsie's Mum View Post
                        Hi Trevor,
                        I am a solo cruiser and I agree that it might be nice to know from the advertisement what the solo cost will be. There is a snag though; if the cost is reasonable, many couples would prefer to have their own rooms, and if too many people chose the single room option, we would all end up paying extra because the cruise ship would not be carrying sufficient passengers to be viable. (I thinK)
                        Probably better that we twist the TA's arm to have a better price. Goodnight
                        I doubt very much whether couples would want their own cabins. There was a fantastic deal on QM2 here earlier in the year, which I booked. Someone else posted that she was going with a friend, so booked 2 staterooms because the price was so good. That seems fine to me - I don't like sharing!
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                          #13
                          Out of interest do you still have a link to the QM2 deal as I'd like to know how much they discount occassionally ?

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                            #14
                            I'm doing a RC transatlantic next April and we already have 7 listed as solo cruisers out of 25 list on our roll call spread sheet. Although (I think its) 3 of these solo cruisers have friends also on this voyage, however they wish to have there own cabin and freedom as a solo.
                            In terms of age:
                            30's: 1
                            40's: 1
                            50's:2
                            60's: 3

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Yogini, Waterlooville View Post
                              I doubt very much whether couples would want their own cabins. There was a fantastic deal on QM2 here earlier in the year, which I booked. Someone else posted that she was going with a friend, so booked 2 staterooms because the price was so good. That seems fine to me - I don't like sharing!
                              Perhaps I am a lot older than you. Many of my friends have their own rooms, for many different reasons and often health related, though it doesn't mean that they don't spend lots of time together in one room

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