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    Should schools be reopening without Covid testing?

    Just heard via local BBC news that in Leicester in most schools only a quarter of parents have given consent to their children being tested following their return to school. Failure to give consent will not disqualify their children from returning. This seems to make a mockery of the testing regime which was, it was hoped, keep infection rates low. Should children be allowed to return without testing? Seems small wonder that Leicester retains one of the highest infection rates in the country.

    #2
    Scotland conducted trial testing of examination High School pupils who have already gone back - all the positive cases came from staff.

    The testing regime has never been 100% and there has never been 100% compliance of the guidance by the public. Have the staff complied 100% ??

    So what to do??

    Annie

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      #3
      Originally posted by PeterM, Southwell View Post
      Just heard via local BBC news that in Leicester in most schools only a quarter of parents have given consent to their children being tested following their return to school. Failure to give consent will not disqualify their children from returning. This seems to make a mockery of the testing regime which was, it was hoped, keep infection rates low. Should children be allowed to return without testing? Seems small wonder that Leicester retains one of the highest infection rates in the country.
      Get them all back into the classroom.

      No idea who will be carrying out the proposed Covid testing but it's a tad ironic if teachers will be roped in. For decades, staff have been told ''do not touch the children in any way'' [difficult to comfort a reception child in tears without a hug so personal judgement had to be used] as it could leave you liable to assault claims from the more unsavory element. Now they might have to get up close and personal. Hope their insurance liabilities are up to scratch.

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        #4
        Testing is trying to capture the asymptomatic.


        if there is a case in the household the kids should not be at school

        You really need testing in the school and in household to capture both routes of transmission.


        There is attendance tracking but the covid data stopped with partial opening but the date a from Sept to Dec does have that

        https://explore-education-statistics...id-19-outbreak

        upto 75% of secondary schools we hit by covid for a while after they went back in Sept.


        there is a useful tool for exploring education statistics not just covid related.

        https://explore-education-statistics...uk/data-tables

        here is one for testing

        https://explore-education-statistics...9-c1012cb26f45


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          #5
          Our grand daughter who is at Secondary School does not go back until Tuesday then only for her first covid test, which are being carried out on Monday and Tuesday, after the test they are being sent home, parents being asked to come collect them.

          This is being carried out on each day they have a test, lessons only taking place on days when no testing.taking place, full time schooling not taking place until Thursday 18th March, with Easter half term holiday starting just over a week later. Masks to be worn during lessons.

          Our two youngest 4/5 years old grandchildren have been attending full time school every weekday during the latest lock down, firstly because they are adopted, secondly because they are children of a key worker, even although our DIL a teacher at a different junior school (had her first covid jab this week) is off school shielding until end of March.

          Don't know who is carrying out the testing, but the government announced they are optional for school children.
          Last edited by Delboy, Essex; 6th March 2021, 11:59 AM.
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            #6
            They should never have stopped going.

            You are never going to stop this virus, we need to learn to live with it. The elderly and vulnerable have now all been vaccinated, so I don't really understand why everyone is still so scared! The chance of dying from it (despite the 120,000 deaths being horrific) has always been pretty low, so is now even lower.

            Time to get back to normal .................................................. ...Carol

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              #7
              well said carol x I am so excited my english granddaughter is back to school on Tuesday, My other granddaughter ( French ) has been at school all the way through, ( since last May ) although they did tag on an extra week for half term in feb. they even had a festival for the kids last week ( carnival ) where they paraded the streets, ( parents went too ) having said that all the kids over 7 have to wear masks at school. Time to get back to normalish now, even I am getting mighty hacked off............AAAAGGGHHH

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                #8
                Originally posted by ev'n'clive, HENGOED View Post
                well said carol x I am so excited my english granddaughter is back to school on Tuesday, My other granddaughter ( French ) has been at school all the way through, ( since last May ) although they did tag on an extra week for half term in feb. they even had a festival for the kids last week ( carnival ) where they paraded the streets, ( parents went too ) having said that all the kids over 7 have to wear masks at school. Time to get back to normalish now, even I am getting mighty hacked off............AAAAGGGHHH
                I thought France extended the night time curfew because of the spike in cases?

                Annie

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                  #9
                  There are often two sides to a story. The statistics show that schools have been a major source of transmission. It may not affect many children too badly but it's who they pass it on to. The bigger mistake in my view was allowing children back for one day after Christmas and then closing again.
                  I know of cases personally where relatively young people (in their fifties)have caught the virus from schoolchildren and passed away.
                  Its vital that the testing is done well and mask wearing in schools in my view should have been compulsory once the benefits were clear.

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                    #10

                    The reason the death toll is so low is because there have been social interventions that have stopped a lot of people getting infected in the first place

                    case mortality rate in the over 60s is quite high even with those interventions


                    Excess mortality is a guide to your increased chance of dying

                    even with the recent lockdown excess death in the over 65 has been running at 30%-50%.

                    Not a small extra chance of dying, thankfully it went down to from over 100% at the April peak last year because we are better at treating covid now


                    To have the kids in school would have needed a different structure of interventions.




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                      #11
                      Originally posted by philhar, wallasey View Post
                      There are often two sides to a story. The statistics show that schools have been a major source of transmission. It may not affect many children too badly but it's who they pass it on to. The bigger mistake in my view was allowing children back for one day after Christmas and then closing again.
                      I know of cases personally where relatively young people (in their fifties)have caught the virus from schoolchildren and passed away.
                      Its vital that the testing is done well and mask wearing in schools in my view should have been compulsory once the benefits were clear.
                      Hindsight the schools should have been open during the summer lockdown when there was a chance of containing any school based transmission to those households.


                      We still have a chance to do that this year and put some buffer in place should we need to do something next winter.


                      Move some of the holiday weeks away from the lowest risk months to the higher ones just in case.

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                        #12
                        I think they should look at extending the school day and reducing the length of holidays to catch up. Instead of 1 week at half term and 2 weeks at the end of term and about 7 weeks holiday in the summer, they should scrap half term and have one week at the end of term. For the summer holidays, it should be reduced to 4 weeks. This will also help working parents wondering what to do with the children in the school holidays and save them money. For most parents working a 9-5 job, the extended school day will also help them to manage their time better. Schools should be 9-5 too for the secondary children. For the younger ones, the extended day could be taken up with some sort of club to get them socialising again with activities.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by lucy, sutton View Post
                          I think they should look at extending the school day and reducing the length of holidays to catch up. Instead of 1 week at half term and 2 weeks at the end of term and about 7 weeks holiday in the summer, they should scrap half term and have one week at the end of term. For the summer holidays, it should be reduced to 4 weeks. This will also help working parents wondering what to do with the children in the school holidays and save them money. For most parents working a 9-5 job, the extended school day will also help them to manage their time better. Schools should be 9-5 too for the secondary children. For the younger ones, the extended day could be taken up with some sort of club to get them socialising again with activities.
                          Who is going to run all this extra school time?

                          Teachers struggle with their part time jobs as it is

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Topdeck, London View Post

                            Who is going to run all this extra school time?

                            Teachers struggle with their part time jobs as it is
                            Careful! My ex head teacher wife would slip a knife between your ribs if she heard you say that! They may have long holidays, but most teachers work long hours during term time.

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                              #15
                              Lots of people like to have a dig at teachers because of the holidays but a lot of parents up and down the country now have a much better insight of what the job involves .My daughter is a teacher and it annoys her when they say schools are reopening on Monday. They never closed!Last year my daughter worked from February half term through to July with no break and consequently so did the key workers' children .Both needed a break.
                              On top of that, she was constantly worried about bringing the infection back to our house.
                              She's been home testing for a month, but it should have been sooner.

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