Vaccination seems to be going very well. Much better than many of use dared hope. Unfortunately there are a good number of people refusing to be vaccinated, usually, in their eyes, for very good reasons, albeit misinformed ones. We hear of medical and care home staff refusing, and in Nottingham an area with a population of around 25,000 only around 700 have come forward. Nobody is going to advocate compulsory vaccination, so what do we do?
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To quote a nephew, if you decline a Covid 19 vaccination, you forfeit the right to medical treatment for covid 19. Harsh?
My sister is repeatedly asked if her son who is a day care centre service user will be vaccinated or has been vaccinated? Interestingly 80% of the day care staff have declined the vaccination.
if you wish to work in the NHS, you must have a Hepatitis B vaccination. JMO during a pandemic, I think the vaccination should be compulsory. No I won't hide behind any sofa either.
Annie
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Originally posted by annie, Glasgow View PostTo quote a nephew, if you decline a Covid 19 vaccination, you forfeit the right to medical treatment for covid 19. Harsh?
My sister is repeatedly asked if her son who is a day care centre service user will be vaccinated or has been vaccinated? Interestingly 80% of the day care staff have declined the vaccination.
if you wish to work in the NHS, you must have a Hepatitis B vaccination. JMO during a pandemic, I think the vaccination should be compulsory. No I won't hide behind any sofa either.
Annie
That said, there are shortages of care staff, so who would step into those jobs?
Jill
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Originally posted by Smith7 View Post
Whilst I agree with you Annie, I also think that we can't force people to have the vaccine ;however those that refuse it should not be allowed to care for vulnerable people.
That said, there are shortages of care staff, so who would step into those jobs?
I admit my views are coloured by an elderly housebound relative contracting the virus twice - once from social work staff; 2nd time whilst in hospital. On the subject of covid infections contracted in hospital:
NHS faces questions over Covid infections contracted in hospital | World news | The Guardian
Annie
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The vaccine doesn't stop you spreading it, or catching it, but stops you from getting really ill from it. So if you've had it, I don't see why we have to worry about those that haven't. If they catch it, that's their fault surely! .................................................. ......................Carol
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Originally posted by PeterM, Southwell View PostVaccination seems to be going very well. Much better than many of use dared hope. Unfortunately there are a good number of people refusing to be vaccinated, usually, in their eyes, for very good reasons, albeit misinformed ones. We hear of medical and care home staff refusing, and in Nottingham an area with a population of around 25,000 only around 700 have come forward. Nobody is going to advocate compulsory vaccination, so what do we do?
Originally posted by Mrs M View Post
I think we have to accept culture comes into vaccine rejection for some rather than uninterested. Fake news on social media and anti vaccine publicity doesn't help. Educating the fake news out of the equation will help and hopefully those of the ethnic backgrounds who haven't or won't take up their jab as they're worried about vaccine content and effects, will come around to accepting their turn in the jab queue.
That said, vaccination in this country is not mandatory and it's everyone's right to refuse a jab. However, when I started teacher training, I had to show proof of a BCG jab. Maybe if something similar for Covid is introduced for job applicants especially in the health and care industry, more might take up their jabs?
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Originally posted by annie, Glasgow View PostTo quote a nephew, if you decline a Covid 19 vaccination, you forfeit the right to medical treatment for covid 19. Harsh?
My sister is repeatedly asked if her son who is a day care centre service user will be vaccinated or has been vaccinated? Interestingly 80% of the day care staff have declined the vaccination.
if you wish to work in the NHS, you must have a Hepatitis B vaccination. JMO during a pandemic, I think the vaccination should be compulsory. No I won't hide behind any sofa either.
Annie
Pick a random NHS trust vaccination policy(top of a a simple google)
https://www.southernhealth.nhs.uk/Ea...icetype=Inline
Immunisations are not mandatory under Trust policy (except for those performing Exposure Prone Procedures)
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Originally posted by annie, Glasgow View Post
We can't conflate 2 different issues. Maybe the Government, ultimately us, will have to pay care staff more??
I admit my views are coloured by an elderly housebound relative contracting the virus twice - once from social work staff; 2nd time whilst in hospital. On the subject of covid infections contracted in hospital:
NHS faces questions over Covid infections contracted in hospital | World news | The Guardian
Annie
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Originally posted by carol, welwyn garden city View PostThe vaccine doesn't stop you spreading it, or catching it, but stops you from getting really ill from it. So if you've had it, I don't see why we have to worry about those that haven't. If they catch it, that's their fault surely! .................................................. ......................Carol
Problem is the extent of how "not ill" you get is yet to be established as the measure being used is hospitalisation
A proportion of people that don't end up in hospital have long term effects, some with permanent damage to the body across all ages.
I have no idea which way it will go but the schools opening is creating a massive new hole in the current household contact/isolation lockdown gives.
I heard(background on the PC) they are opening up testing to all school families that might help.
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Originally posted by carol, welwyn garden city View PostThe vaccine doesn't stop you spreading it, or catching it, but stops you from getting really ill from it. So if you've had it, I don't see why we have to worry about those that haven't. If they catch it, that's their fault surely! .................................................. ......................Carol
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Originally posted by lucy, sutton View Post
But care homes are quite often private businesses, so the care staff employed are nothing to do with the government, as they are employed by private companies. These companies pay care staff very poor wages as their main aim is profit. If they paid their staff better, made sure they were fully trained and not just anybody that walks off the street willing to work for minimum wage, then perhaps the residents would be safer. There is usually a trained nurse in charge and the rest of the staff are not fully trained care staff, so who knows how they manage on infection control procedures.
Annie
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Originally posted by annie, Glasgow View Post
We can't conflate 2 different issues. Maybe the Government, ultimately us, will have to pay care staff more??
I admit my views are coloured by an elderly housebound relative contracting the virus twice - once from social work staff; 2nd time whilst in hospital. On the subject of covid infections contracted in hospital:
NHS faces questions over Covid infections contracted in hospital | World news | The Guardian
Annie
The data on the success of the vaccines, transmission, efficacy is still rolling in it would seem.
Jill
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My feeling is “no jab, no job”
especially for those working in the health care sector. As has been pointed out , if you work in the NHS you’ll need a Hep B vaccination so why should Covid be any different. I’m not hiding behind a sofa either. I’ve had Covid and it is not nice. I know of too many people who have died from it and I really hope that I won’t hear of any more.
Take care and stay well. Helen😷
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Originally posted by Mason, Altrincham View PostMy feeling is “no jab, no job”
especially for those working in the health care sector. As has been pointed out , if you work in the NHS you’ll need a Hep B vaccination so why should Covid be any different. I’m not hiding behind a sofa either. I’ve had Covid and it is not nice. I know of too many people who have died from it and I really hope that I won’t hear of any more.
Take care and stay well. Helen😷- there is a distinct probability that a 'green card' may be required for pubs to holidays. To obtain such a card, you have to supply evidence of vaccination or produce evidence of a negative PCR test. I know which route would choose.
Annie
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