What to do about those who refuse a vaccine?

[PeterM, Southwell]

Vaccination seems to be going very well. Much better than many of use dared hope. Unfortunately there are a good number of people refusing to be vaccinated, usually, in their eyes, for very good reasons, albeit misinformed ones. We hear of medical and care home staff refusing, and in Nottingham an area with a population of around 25,000 only around 700 have come forward. Nobody is going to advocate compulsory vaccination, so what do we do?

[Gill Nickson, Albox]

As I understand it the vaccine is only to protect the individual should he/she become infected. It reduces the symptoms and the risk of serious illness. It does not stop the individual from catching the virus and transmitting it to others.

If this is the case does it matter if someone has had the vaccine or not in everyday life?

That is my 'take' on the situation as well and I still feel that it has not been tested long enough, when
Pfizer state on their site that they only expected to be able to put it forward for approval, (after going
through ALL the relevant testing stages), in January 2023. At this stage, it had not been APPROVED
but only aulthorised for emergency measures.

[Topdeck, London]

You will be able to go on holiday but where could be restricted. What was it JVT reportedly said yesterday?? It is too early to say - very sensible.

On a positive note:

Domestic cruise restart will be short-term measure, says Royal boss | Travel Weekly

Question: would you happily sacrifice another year without a foreign trip in order to have many restrictions removed in the UK??

Annie

Local cruise start was obviously the only option months ago when only domestic travel was in the visibility window.

We are moving to a transition period where the options may open up if things go to plan but other countries will need to do a bit of catchup.



RCI have managed it with Israel which is ahead of us and the promise of a vaccinated ship has opened up a deal with Cyprus and Greece.

That will be one to watch but as ever there are some unknows lurking with variants and it will take a bit of time to know if they pose a threat to the May schedule.


The UK is next in the vaccine line but they would need a deal to get the crews vaccinated at least a month before start if they want to use the same model.

That could be on the cards by June as by the mid April we should have all over 50s and vulnerable and end of April 4-6m into the 40-50 group.
that enough to partially fill a ship if they can get the crew done.


Ex UK most of mainland EU is a mess and Norway Baltics may not want travel for a while so can't see ships going to many ports.

If we could join with the Israel plan then charter flights into Cyrus or Israel could be an option


Meanwhile there are ships operating without a vaccine hurdle to jump and seem to be doing OK, not heard of any new outbreaks with the measure they have in place.

[annie, Glasgow]

Thank you for the encouragement guys.

If I can't go on holiday by the end of the year, even with having had the vaccine, I will feel very cheated!! .................................................. ..Carol

You will be able to go on holiday but where could be restricted. What was it JVT reportedly said yesterday?? It is too early to say - very sensible.

On a positive note:

Domestic cruise restart will be short-term measure, says Royal boss | Travel Weekly

Question: would you happily sacrifice another year without a foreign trip in order to have many restrictions removed in the UK??

Annie

[Smith7]

Thank you for the encouragement guys.

If I can't go on holiday by the end of the year, even with having had the vaccine, I will feel very cheated!! .................................................. ..Carol

So will I Carol but I am forever hopeful.

[carol, welwyn garden city]

Thank you for the encouragement guys.

If I can't go on holiday by the end of the year, even with having had the vaccine, I will feel very cheated!! .................................................. ..Carol

[Topdeck, London]

My youngest daughter works in what is probably termed as a bio-tech industry. Staff in the labs have to be qualified and experienced, but even some of her colleagues are saying that they will reuse the vaccination. They should really know better!

BTW, it is clinical staff in the NHS who have to have the Hep B jab. I didn't have to have anything during the years that I had an office job.

it is not even compulsory for all clinical staff.

many trusts say they follow the guidelines from the green book.


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[Moonraker, Royal Wootton Bassett]

I had the AZ jab almost 3 weeks ago with no ill effects whatever. I had mine at my doctor's surgery, a 15 minute walk from my home. My wife's was the Pfizer vaccine which was at a health centre 10 miles away that has the necessary refrigeration equipment. But we were lucky it seems. My wife's 2 sisters and brother in law all had round trips of 60+ miles, to Bath, Oxford and Andover.

[All at sea, Yorks]

Don't fret about it Carol, you could be fine afterwards.........being a bit younger than some of us!

Any transient after effects are nothing compared to the relief of having the jab.

Having read different things, I’m not quite sure how long after the jab that immunity starts building up. I’ve seen 2 /3 /4 weeks.............

[Yogini, Waterlooville]

My youngest daughter works in what is probably termed as a bio-tech industry. Staff in the labs have to be qualified and experienced, but even some of her colleagues are saying that they will reuse the vaccination. They should really know better!

BTW, it is clinical staff in the NHS who have to have the Hep B jab. I didn't have to have anything during the years that I had an office job.

[ev'n'clive, HENGOED]

I've got my letter, just got to book the appointment, which I will have to time. The amount of people I know who have had the Oxford one, and been really poorly after for a couple of days. Some of us, still work and look after others!! .................................................. ........Carol

Hi carol x clive had the AZ jab and he had no side effects at all, in fact an hour after he had it I asked how he was feeling, he looked at me a bit weird,, ( must be because I never ask usually ) and said he had forgotten he had it..... I had the pfzier jab and was much the same x just sit back and enjoy x

[Topdeck, London]

My wife tried this morning. They will only do 65+ in our area.

National guidelines 60+ now
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/corona...virus-vaccine/



on the booking page page try a different nearby post code

I got a list from 0.5miles to 25miles must have been 30+ locations to choose from

[Mrs M]

I've got my letter, just got to book the appointment, which I will have to time. The amount of people I know who have had the Oxford one, and been really poorly after for a couple of days. Some of us, still work and look after others!! .................................................. ........Carol

Don't be concerned Carol. We were def. ''off'' for 24hrs, but two friends who had the same jab hours before us, were fine. it's not either of the jabs, it's how one reacts to them. I took a positive view that the vaccine induced little antibodies racing around my system were finding their feet and making their presence felt.

[annie, Glasgow]

Seems to vary from one person to another. I had the Oxford jab with no problems whatever. Friends have had the Pfizer one and have been poorly.

Now you follow the pattern Peter. The Covid App people carried out a very large study which showed the Oxford Jab is generally better tolerated.

Sometimes if someone has suffered side effects it can be attributed to possibly having had Covid 19. I think Helen may attest to that which is why the French now have the policy for those who can document they had covid, a single shot suffices.

All said and done choose between a few side effects or a hospital stay - no brainer JMO.

Annie

[PeterM, Southwell]

I've got my letter, just got to book the appointment, which I will have to time. The amount of people I know who have had the Oxford one, and been really poorly after for a couple of days. Some of us, still work and look after others!! .................................................. ........Carol

Seems to vary from one person to another. I had the Oxford jab with no problems whatever. Friends have had the Pfizer one and have been poorly.