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    #16
    Originally posted by annie, Glasgow View Post

    How many care home residents have part of their fees funded by the government??

    Annie
    But this does not affect who they employ as private companies. Staff have been quite often part time, temporary, travelled and worked in different care homes and poorly trained. Minimum wages paid to these care workers from these private companies have been all about profit. These are businesses at the end of the day and we often hear of residents being told to leave at a moment's notice when they are settled because the business is closing, with no thought of their well being because after all to these people, it is business.

    Some of these care homes provide shocking care. My husband's grandmother did not last long when she went into care. We visited once and she had a tea plate with her Sunday tea on, which was not enough for a sparrow. She lost weight and gave up in the end, despite our complaints.

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      #17
      Originally posted by lucy, sutton View Post

      But this does not affect who they employ as private companies. Staff have been quite often part time, temporary, travelled and worked in different care homes and poorly trained. Minimum wages paid to these care workers from these private companies have been all about profit. These are businesses at the end of the day and we often hear of residents being told to leave at a moment's notice when they are settled because the business is closing, with no thought of their well being because after all to these people, it is business.

      Some of these care homes provide shocking care. My husband's grandmother did not last long when she went into care. We visited once and she had a tea plate with her Sunday tea on, which was not enough for a sparrow. She lost weight and gave up in the end, despite our complaints.
      No arguments from me Lucy.

      Many care homes are also run by churches and charities and some do not fare any better in CQC reports

      However who placed the individual in the 'failing' care home??

      Annie

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        #18
        Originally posted by annie, Glasgow View Post

        No arguments from me Lucy.

        Many care homes are also run by churches and charities and some do not fare any better in CQC reports

        However who placed the individual in the 'failing' care home??

        Annie
        I don't have much faith in any care home to be honest. I believe my husband's grandmother was referred there by social services at the time, however, no amount of complaining did any good and I don't think she appreciated us making waves anyway. Since care homes are allowed to run as businesses, I cannot see that care will ever be the first priority. CQC have too much to do and could never get around all the failing care homes as there are far too many in my opinion.

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          #19
          Originally posted by lucy, sutton View Post

          I don't have much faith in any care home to be honest. I believe my husband's grandmother was referred there by social services at the time, however, no amount of complaining did any good and I don't think she appreciated us making waves anyway. Since care homes are allowed to run as businesses, I cannot see that care will ever be the first priority. CQC have too much to do and could never get around all the failing care homes as there are far too many in my opinion.
          In Scotland there is to be a report published soon recommending a National Social Care Service.

          However I have been advised that many LA social care employees are electing not to be vaccinated. That can change if they require a green card to socialise.

          Annie

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            #20
            My take on NHS workers is that the vaccine should be mandatory otherwise you lose your job. I know of care assistants who have had to research the components of the vaccine as they were allergic to certain things but they managed to get a suitable jab. There should be no exemptions unless medical history forbids it.

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              #21
              There’s an article in the Manchester Evening News online from Wythenshawe Hospital where my daughter and I work. It shows the Covid wards with the staff in full PPE. My daughter is in one those pictures and I saw her after her shift. Her face was (and still is) red raw from the full face mask. She and her colleagues are having to treat people of all ages, some of them younger than she is. Anyone who doesn’t think they need the vaccine is being plain selfish in my opinion. The front line staff are on their knees.

              Take care and stay well. Helen 😷

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                #22
                Originally posted by Mason, Altrincham View Post
                There’s an article in the Manchester Evening News online from Wythenshawe Hospital where my daughter and I work. It shows the Covid wards with the staff in full PPE. My daughter is in one those pictures and I saw her after her shift. Her face was (and still is) red raw from the full face mask. She and her colleagues are having to treat people of all ages, some of them younger than she is. Anyone who doesn’t think they need the vaccine is being plain selfish in my opinion. The front line staff are on their knees.

                Take care and stay well. Helen 😷
                My daughter is the same. It's horrible.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Mason, Altrincham View Post
                  There’s an article in the Manchester Evening News online from Wythenshawe Hospital where my daughter and I work. It shows the Covid wards with the staff in full PPE. My daughter is in one those pictures and I saw her after her shift. Her face was (and still is) red raw from the full face mask. She and her colleagues are having to treat people of all ages, some of them younger than she is. Anyone who doesn’t think they need the vaccine is being plain selfish in my opinion. The front line staff are on their knees.

                  Take care and stay well. Helen 😷
                  My cousin's daughter is going through the same horrors as a nurse in Kent. In the first wave she nursed 3 of her colleagues and one of them died.

                  Maybe anyone who refuses to have the vaccine should be taken to a Covid ward to see first hand the death and suffering for themselves. Maybe then they would change their minds.
                  Jill

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                    #24
                    Social care has long been a problem debated here and despite promises successive prime ministers have dodged it.
                    In my opinion, describing lower grade staff as walking off the street is not helpful.My late Mum received respite care after being in hospital a few times.The homes were not perfect (where is) but they really cared and the best individual care she received was from the very lowest grade of staff
                    They were paid a pittance but they really cared about my Mum.Same experience when she spent her final days in palliative care, the lowest grade staff cared the most.Not all were like that, but I have nothing but the greatest admiration for these people.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by annie, Glasgow View Post
                      To quote a nephew, if you decline a Covid 19 vaccination, you forfeit the right to medical treatment for covid 19. Harsh?

                      My sister is repeatedly asked if her son who is a day care centre service user will be vaccinated or has been vaccinated? Interestingly 80% of the day care staff have declined the vaccination.

                      if you wish to work in the NHS, you must have a Hepatitis B vaccination. JMO during a pandemic, I think the vaccination should be compulsory. No I won't hide behind any sofa either.

                      Annie
                      Yes, I would say 'harsh', because a) there are many different types of upper respiratory tract
                      infections and even without a PCR test (which is not always accurate) they are being lumped together
                      under the umbrella term of Covid. And b) if you decreed that, then you must also include smokers,
                      heavy drinkers and the clinically obese, all of which conditions can be considered to be 'self-inflicted'.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Gill Nickson, Albox View Post

                        Yes, I would say 'harsh', because a) there are many different types of upper respiratory tract
                        infections and even without a PCR test (which is not always accurate) they are being lumped together
                        under the umbrella term of Covid. And b) if you decreed that, then you must also include smokers,
                        heavy drinkers and the clinically obese, all of which conditions can be considered to be 'self-inflicted'.
                        It is about WE not ME.

                        Heavy drinkers, clinically obese and smokers cannot transmit their potential terminal conditions to others as easily as Covid 19 unless you know different.

                        Annie

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                          #27
                          As I understand it the vaccine is only to protect the individual should he/she become infected. It reduces the symptoms and the risk of serious illness. It does not stop the individual from catching the virus and transmitting it to others.

                          If this is the case does it matter if someone has had the vaccine or not in everyday life?

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Gill Nickson, Albox View Post

                            Yes, I would say 'harsh', because a) there are many different types of upper respiratory tract
                            infections and even without a PCR test (which is not always accurate) they are being lumped together
                            under the umbrella term of Covid. And b) if you decreed that, then you must also include smokers,
                            heavy drinkers and the clinically obese, all of which conditions can be considered to be 'self-inflicted'.


                            If it was true that you have to have Hep B to work in the NHS that could set a precedent but as you don't you can't use that to back up the should have a covid case.

                            They don't lump all respiratory under covid

                            The weekly death data includes flu and pneumonia numbers
                            The weekly surveillance includes many of the other respiratory illness incidences.


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                              #29
                              Originally posted by JohnR, Chippenham View Post
                              As I understand it the vaccine is only to protect the individual should he/she become infected. It reduces the symptoms and the risk of serious illness. It does not stop the individual from catching the virus and transmitting it to others.

                              If this is the case does it matter if someone has had the vaccine or not in everyday life?

                              There is some evidence emerging that it reduces you catching it enough to become a transmitter, early days as you have to unravel the numbers from the effects of lockdown


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                                #30
                                Eligibility changed since 3:30 yesterday(28th feb) to 60+ today so get your appointment booked


                                https://www.nhs.uk/book-a-coronaviru...-an-nhs-number

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