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    $9.5M awarded for cruise ship fall

    A British fitness instructor has been awarded $9.5 million by a Miami Court jury, after he slipped and injured himself in the cruise ship spa.

    Danny Simpson, 42, who worked for Steiner Transocean, sustained a back injury after slipping on the wet floor, which resulted in him becoming incontinent and impotent.

    The defendant - Steiner Transocean, which operated the spa on Norwegian Cruise Line's Norwegian Crown - filed papers seeking a new trial or a reduction of the jury award.

    Steiner continues to strongly believe it wasn't responsible for the injuries,'' said David Horr, an attorney with Horr Novak & Skipp, who represents Steiner.

    Miami attorney Joseph J. Rinaldi Jr. of Downs Brill Whitehead, who represents Simpson, said the verdict included damages for economic losses, medical expenses and past and future pain and suffering. Miami-based NCL previously settled out of court.
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    #2
    $9.5 million?? -ridiculous!

    Is it just me? or is it public perception
    that the cruise industry is a huge cash cow
    in need of milking, any way we can?

    I realise he sued his employer and not the cruise line, but still..
    the perception seems to be that there's lots of moolah lying around for the taking.

    Whoever Steiner is, he's out of business after this!

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      #3
      Originally posted by Aplmac, Barbados View Post

      Whoever Steiner is, he's out of business after this!

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      Wouldn't have thought so Aplmac. Steiner are a HUGE presence in the world of cruise lines. Their public liability insurance might take a bashing though.

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        #4
        Amazing $$$$$

        Originally posted by Morton View Post
        Wouldn't have thought so Aplmac.
        Steiner are a HUGE presence in the world of cruise lines.
        Their public liability insurance might take a bashing though.
        OK. Thanks for the heads-up.
        That explains a lot then, about the quantum of the award.

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          #5
          Health & Safety breach :mad:
          fines are unlimited in UK but in the USA the injured party gets a bigger slice of the cake. :D

          The other day Aplmac you complained about cut backs on call centers push this button then that just to save a couple of peoples wages.

          Someone was not employed to do that task in their job description.

          If you visit the building that I work in then you will go through induction be shown the escape routes, safe areas ect. Then sign the dreaded tick form then get your pass. (no pass worn then out you go)

          Without what appears to be a silly waste of time the company is left wide open to claims.

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            #6
            For heavens sake this man is an adult.
            Do you really need training to know that if a floor surface is wet it just might be slippery?
            Yes he was responsible for his own health and safety. Surely no one was threstening him and so made him walk on the wet floor. It seems to be so easy to sue for accidents these days. When is an accident not an accident but a case of negligence?

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              #7
              Originally posted by Oldbiddy, Chertsey View Post
              For heavens sake this man is an adult.
              Do you really need training to know that if a floor surface is wet it just might be slippery?
              Yes he was responsible for his own health and safety. Surely no one was threstening him and so made him walk on the wet floor. It seems to be so easy to sue for accidents these days. When is an accident not an accident but a case of negligence?
              Yes even a cleaner has to be trained to use a vacuum that is the way of things.
              That is another form to tick sign and file.
              Some companies use a near miss log to make staff more aware of the risks every report needs to be looked at
              Nearly every accident is preventable


              When someone has no training they are incompetent so if they have an accident the employer is libel.
              When they have been trained and assessed and they have an accident they are negligent.
              The company can still be libel but any fine/compo would be greatly reduced provided they can prove they had taken all reasonable precautions.

              Looking at the size of the compensation the court must have thought there was some lack of care involved on the part of the employer.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Oldbiddy, Chertsey View Post
                For heavens sake this man is an adult.
                Do you really need training to know that if a floor surface is wet it just might be slippery?
                Yes he was responsible for his own health and safety. Surely no one was threstening him and so made him walk on the wet floor. It seems to be so easy to sue for accidents these days. When is an accident not an accident but a case of negligence?
                I dont believe that there is such a thing as an accident !!....Accident is the collective word used to describe all sorts of c**k ups, slip ups, lapses of concentration, careless acts, lack of thought or preparation, or the hundreds of other things that cause damage and injury....All "accidents" have a cause, and all causes are preventable....even "acts of god" ( person hit by lightning---dont go out in a thunderstorm !!) You get the drift..as for elfin safety, why do we worry so much about "elfins" If we paid more attention to our own actions and not rely on "nanny" to look after us we would all be much better off !!! If you are working in a Spa / pool area, would it not be common sense to wear suitable non slip footwear ?? When people come on board my boat, suitable footwear is the FIRST thing that is required as boats get WET !!! as do spa areas on cruise ships. ( or must the cruise operator inspect every member of staff every time that they report for work ?? ) If someone who should know better injures themselves at work due to not wearing or using the correct clothing / footwear / tools ect. it is not the fault of the employer but the fool involved !!
                Last edited by Crusinman, Warboys, Cambs.; 30th December 2009, 06:34 PM. Reason: spelling mistake

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by spartan, kent View Post
                  Yes even a cleaner has to be trained to use a vacuum that is the way of things.
                  That is another form to tick sign and file.
                  Some companies use a near miss log to make staff more aware of the risks every report needs to be looked at
                  Nearly every accident is preventable


                  When someone has no training they are incompetent so if they have an accident the employer is libel.
                  When they have been trained and assessed and they have an accident they are negligent.
                  The company can still be libel but any fine/compo would be greatly reduced provided they can prove they had taken all reasonable precautions.

                  Looking at the size of the compensation the court must have thought there was some lack of care involved on the part of the employer.
                  The lack of care was in NOT taking on someone who had the common sense to wear NON SLIP footwear when working in an area that is bound to get wet !!! like the gas fitter who checked for gas leaks using a match !!! there is one born every second, the trick is NOT to employ them in the first place....If we carry on like this, a cruise ship will never leave the dock in case the waves rock the boat and injure someone !!!!!

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by spartan, kent View Post
                    Health & Safety breach :mad:
                    fines are unlimited in UK but in the USA the injured party gets a bigger slice of the cake. :D

                    The other day Aplmac you complained about cut backs on call centers push this button then that just to save a couple of peoples wages.

                    Someone was not employed to do that task in their job description.

                    If you visit the building that I work in then you will go through induction be shown the escape routes, safe areas ect. Then sign the dreaded tick form then get your pass. (no pass worn then out you go)

                    Without what appears to be a silly waste of time the company is left wide open to claims.
                    Whatever did we do before "elfin safety"
                    I am all for safety at work ( and anywhere else for that matter ) but I really think that as in most other things, we go so far over the top that it becomes a farce..One of my companies that has been in operation for 30 years ( long before the start of "elfin safety" ) has Never had a reportable incident let alone an accident, this is down to good employees, good training, good management, and putting employees before profit, it has never relied on little "elfins" telling us what to do and how to do it safely...that is company pride..as for risk assessments, the best person to do this is the person undertaking the work !! If they are the right person for the job, they are skilled at the work involved, know the risks involved, and what needs doing to prevent problems....what we dont need is someone ( an elfin safety inspector ) to come along and show us how its done !!! Some of the elfin safety suggestions made to us over the years have been funny, some rediculous, and some bloody dangerous !!! Yes you have to train people, and this must be ongoing, and you must vet new staff very closely, But we are being strangled in more and more red tape in the name of "elfins" that it is not helping anyone and is becoming a joke....

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Crusinman, Warboys, Cambs. View Post
                      The lack of care was in NOT taking on someone who had the common sense to wear NON SLIP footwear when working in an area that is bound to get wet !!! like the gas fitter who checked for gas leaks using a match !!! there is one born every second, the trick is NOT to employ them in the first place....If we carry on like this, a cruise ship will never leave the dock in case the waves rock the boat and injure someone !!!!!
                      Gas fitter with a match :D before the days of ACS you
                      would be surprised how many gas fitters could not test correctly.
                      All part of as you call it elfin safety.
                      First did the company give proper footwear did they ensure it was worn this does not mean checking every individual every time they report for work but if you notice someone not conforming do you stop them working or just ignore it.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Crusinman, Warboys, Cambs. View Post
                        Whatever did we do before "elfin safety"
                        I am all for safety at work ( and anywhere else for that matter ) but I really think that as in most other things, we go so far over the top that it becomes a farce..One of my companies that has been in operation for 30 years ( long before the start of "elfin safety" ) has Never had a reportable incident let alone an accident, this is down to good employees, good training, good management, and putting employees before profit, it has never relied on little "elfins" telling us what to do and how to do it safely...that is company pride..as for risk assessments, the best person to do this is the person undertaking the work !! If they are the right person for the job, they are skilled at the work involved, know the risks involved, and what needs doing to prevent problems....what we dont need is someone ( an elfin safety inspector ) to come along and show us how its done !!! Some of the elfin safety suggestions made to us over the years have been funny, some rediculous, and some bloody dangerous !!! Yes you have to train people, and this must be ongoing, and you must vet new staff very closely, But we are being strangled in more and more red tape in the name of "elfins" that it is not helping anyone and is becoming a joke....
                        What we did before elfinsafty was let people work in bad conditions some enlightened employers looked after their staff but many could not care less. Many of the things that we take for granted today came from elfinsafty correct lighting levels in the office or workshop steel toecap boots that protect both the toes the ankle helmets and ear defenders.
                        The problem comes from people who do not think through what is going on, normally employed by the local authority

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Crusinman, Warboys, Cambs. View Post
                          Whatever did we do before "elfin safety"
                          I am all for safety at work ( and anywhere else for that matter ) but I really think that as in most other things, we go so far over the top that it becomes a farce..One of my companies that has been in operation for 30 years ( long before the start of "elfin safety" ) has Never had a reportable incident let alone an accident, this is down to good employees, good training, good management, and putting employees before profit, it has never relied on little "elfins" telling us what to do and how to do it safely...that is company pride..as for risk assessments, the best person to do this is the person undertaking the work !! If they are the right person for the job, they are skilled at the work involved, know the risks involved, and what needs doing to prevent problems....what we dont need is someone ( an elfin safety inspector ) to come along and show us how its done !!! Some of the elfin safety suggestions made to us over the years have been funny, some rediculous, and some bloody dangerous !!! Yes you have to train people, and this must be ongoing, and you must vet new staff very closely, But we are being strangled in more and more red tape in the name of "elfins" that it is not helping anyone and is becoming a joke....
                          So basically we agree that elfinsafty is a good thing, you will always find some stuffed shirt who does not understand the job that you are doing and the risks involved

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                            #14
                            Not a mention of the terrible injuries the poor man suffered and just the usall rant about health and safety from ,apparently business passangers who would,if given the chance,pay the ..eh..Working Classes..peanuts.As we say here,slap it into them...the employers i mean.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Oldbiddy, Chertsey View Post
                              For heavens sake this man is an adult.
                              Do you really need training to know that if a floor surface is wet it just might be slippery?
                              Yes he was responsible for his own health and safety. Surely no one was threstening him and so made him walk on the wet floor. It seems to be so easy to sue for accidents these days. When is an accident not an accident but a case of negligence?
                              Many floors are shiny and therefore look no different when wet - hence the use of signs in spaces used by the public and workers which state "Wet Floor, Danger". People are killed, paralyzed from the neck down and brain injured by falling after slipping as most people fall backwards smashing their head, neck, back and limbs. In those circumstances the poor man WAS NOT responsible for his own health and safety. If there is nothing to see then one walks on. The negligence was the person responsible for putting the wet on the floor and not dealing with it immediately. Not the poor person who has had his entire life blighted. Think before you rush in to defend the Spa company. They had a duty of care to all people entering their premises. The JURY awarded the amount of money. I.E Ordinary people !!
                              Last edited by Macro, Reading; 30th December 2009, 11:40 PM. Reason: added a line
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