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    Brexit Fake News from Michael Bayley

    Hi All

    In Travel Weekly, there is. Report that MB of Royal Caribbean cited the vote for Brexit as the reason Spectrum of the Seas will not be located in the UK.

    Do you believe him, I don't.

    Annie

    #2
    It was always going to the Far East..and either Anthem or Quantum will be coming here.
    We always get the older ships, Indy being a case in fact.
    Regards
    Garfield

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      #3
      Anything that is BAD about Brexit .....I believe ...... Ho Ho Ho.

      BUT it might just be true my Dearios. ....Neil

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        #4
        Tbh, having cruised on Independence of the Seas from Southampton in 2012 and witnessing violence, threats of violence and general drunkenness (regularly throughout a 14 night cruise) , I vowed never to cruise from Southampton again. So far, I’ve kept to my word and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. Once bitten...........the sail down through the Bay of Biscay didn’t help either

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          #5
          Don't want to start another debate on Brexit as we will find out who was right, but reading in local paper a German cancer researcher one of the top three in the world is leaving Newcastle and going to work in Holland all due to Brexit he also said a lot off others are keeping their opinions open and will probably do the same as they do not see the UK Government will be able to give them the same money they get from Europe. Just another thing that was neve mentioned.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Neil Down, Southampton View Post
            Anything that is BAD about Brexit .....I believe ...... Ho Ho Ho.

            BUT it might just be true my Dearios. ....Neil
            I saw this last week:

            Japan warns Theresa May its giant firms will quit UK if botched Brexit makes it 'unprofitable' to stay | The Independent

            I know that many of us have strong views on Brexit, but we cant keep ignoring the warning signs.

            John

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              #7
              Firstly thanks Annie for reintroducing Brexit.

              Of course Brexit projections are one of the reasons RCI is hedging its bets on UK capacity, but not just because of the exchange rates reducing their income - patently not so when you see the UK pound prices being increased on all US cruise lines to offset that.

              I suspect their main reason for reducing capacity in the mid term future is simply that they fear the well-publicised reduction in the UK 15 year economy post-Brexit will happen. That reduces available disposable income and consequentially potential "high roller" cruisers from the UK.

              Add that to the rapid changes in the former "Third World" economies and huge numbers of new rich (China alone now has almost 2 million millionaires, and many millions of reasonably affluent citizens.

              So all cruise companies are doing is preparing for a negative impact on our in-pocket cash after Brexit, whilst moving their finite capacity to where the disposable income is greatest. You may have noticed that some of these UK-based ships are jointly home-basing in Southampton and Hamburg/Le Havre/Amsterdam, opening two markets.

              Our recent cruises on MSC and RCI from Southampton they have had few English speaking passengers, mainly Russian, European and Oriental, and the ability of staff to speak English seems less important.

              Add to that, so far, Japanese, EU and American companies all announcing contingency plans to relocate if Brexit means any trade barriers.

              But not to worry we can always depend on our friendship with Malta can't we?

              Cheers

              Tony B

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                #8
                Originally posted by toshtosh, Guiseley View Post
                Firstly thanks Annie for reintroducing Brexit.

                Of course Brexit projections are one of the reasons RCI is hedging its bets on UK capacity, but not just because of the exchange rates reducing their income - patently not so when you see the UK pound prices being increased on all US cruise lines to offset that.

                I suspect their main reason for reducing capacity in the mid term future is simply that they fear the well-publicised reduction in the UK 15 year economy post-Brexit will happen. That reduces available disposable income and consequentially potential "high roller" cruisers from the UK.

                Add that to the rapid changes in the former "Third World" economies and huge numbers of new rich (China alone now has almost 2 million millionaires, and many millions of reasonably affluent citizens.

                So all cruise companies are doing is preparing for a negative impact on our in-pocket cash after Brexit, whilst moving their finite capacity to where the disposable income is greatest. You may have noticed that some of these UK-based ships are jointly home-basing in Southampton and Hamburg/Le Havre/Amsterdam, opening two markets.

                Our recent cruises on MSC and RCI from Southampton they have had few English speaking passengers, mainly Russian, European and Oriental, and the ability of staff to speak English seems less important.

                Add to that, so far, Japanese, EU and American companies all announcing contingency plans to relocate if Brexit means any trade barriers.

                But not to worry we can always depend on our friendship with Malta can't we?

                Cheers

                Tony B
                I re-introduced the topic of Brexit as I found it amusing. RCI never had any intention of basing that ship in the UK I believe. Lame excuse MB. Keep politics out of cruising.

                On a personal basis, I am delighted because I hate mega ships.

                Annie
                Last edited by annie, Glasgow; 14th February 2018, 10:08 AM.

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                  #9
                  Hi Annie
                  A bit mean isn't it?
                  You don't sail from Southampton so it would never affect you.
                  Boooooo.

                  Regards
                  Garfield

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Garfield, Waterlooville View Post
                    Hi Annie
                    A bit mean isn't it?
                    You don't sail from Southampton so it would never affect you.
                    Boooooo.

                    Regards
                    Garfield
                    I am thinking of the bigger picture - the environmental impact of these floating resorts

                    Annie

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by annie, Glasgow View Post
                      I re-introduced the topic of Brexit as I found it amusing. RCI never had any intention of basing that ship in the UK I believe. Lame excuse MB. Keep politics out of cruising.

                      On a personal basis, I am delighted because I hate mega ships.

                      Annie
                      Impossible to keep politics out of cruising I am afraid - exchange rates, visas/immigration controls, VAT/other taxes, duty free, tourist investment, flight controls ..................

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by toshtosh, Guiseley View Post
                        Impossible to keep politics out of cruising I am afraid - exchange rates, visas/immigration controls, VAT/other taxes, duty free, tourist investment, flight controls ..................
                        We can try

                        Annie

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by mike, lanarkshire View Post
                          Tbh, having cruised on Independence of the Seas from Southampton in 2012 and witnessing violence, threats of violence and general drunkenness (regularly throughout a 14 night cruise) , I vowed never to cruise from Southampton again. So far, I’ve kept to my word and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. Once bitten...........the sail down through the Bay of Biscay didn’t help either
                          Never to cruise from Southampton because it is Southampton or never to cruise on IoS from Southampton because of the drunken and violent clientele IoS attracts (probably fuelled by all you can drink alcohol deals).

                          We have sailed from Southampton more than 20 times on 12+ days cruises and have never experienced drunkenness or violence. The occasional "loud" group but never a problem.

                          Perhaps break your word and try P&O or Cunard from Southampton. You might be pleasantly surprised.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by George, Gateshead (3) View Post
                            Don't want to start another debate on Brexit as we will find out who was right, but reading in local paper a German cancer researcher one of the top three in the world is leaving Newcastle and going to work in Holland all due to Brexit he also said a lot off others are keeping their opinions open and will probably do the same as they do not see the UK Government will be able to give them the same money they get from Europe. Just another thing that was neve mentioned.
                            Well he will be closer to home then and maybe even be able to commute daily from Germany to Holland depending on home and office locations.

                            People talk glibly about moving to another country because of Brexit or whatever other reason but it is not everyone's cup of tea.

                            Different languages, cultures and customs, away from family and friends, little contact with colleagues out of office hours and difficulty in integrating in the local community all combine to make what seemed a good idea at the time not such a good idea after a while despite the "good" money.

                            Some will be able to hack it but many won't and then return home to find their old job taken and their career progression stalled.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by JohnR, Chippenham View Post
                              Never to cruise from Southampton because it is Southampton or never to cruise on IoS from Southampton because of the drunken and violent clientele IoS attracts (probably fuelled by all you can drink alcohol deals).

                              We have sailed from Southampton more than 20 times on 12+ days cruises and have never experienced drunkenness or violence. The occasional "loud" group but never a problem.

                              Perhaps break your word and try P&O or Cunard from Southampton. You might be pleasantly surprised.

                              It’s refereshing to read about the port of Southampton from another perspective. Yes, I know it was probably a combination of wrong time, guest, itinerary, ship etc but it definitely leaves a bad taste. We’ve cruised about 20 times now (all with RCI and Celebrity) and it was our worst cruise. Recommendations appreciated , any particular itineraries we should consider ?.

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