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  • annie, Glasgow
    started a topic Anthem of the Seas to leave UK after maiden season

    Anthem of the Seas to leave UK after maiden season

    Hi All

    Anthem will not return to UK after maiden season.

    Independence and Navigator of the Seas will use SOTON as their summer base.

    Harmony of the Seas will use Barcelona and Rome.

    Anthem of the Seas to leave UK after maiden season - www.travelweekly.co.uk

    Annie

  • Max, Warwickshire
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    Originally posted by Pigwigeon, Bath View Post
    Very disappointed to see Anthem leave after just one season. And they are giving us the old Independence and the even older Navigator back again, and it appears they aren't even bothering with anything out of Harwich. Putting all their eggs into a Chinese made basket it appears with both Quantum and Ovation being posted there......to become floating smoke filled casinos. Given that P&O seem to advertise that reruns of TV favourites (Last of the Summer Wine I presume) as the highlight of their entertainment programme, I would have thought that the UK market was RCIs for the taking. A missed opportunity.
    I think you may have given the reason why RCI favour the Chinese market.

    Apart from the huge pool of available customers in China, they do, as a rule, like to gamble. Apparently the new mega ships were designed so that the available Casino space could be doubled without too much trouble, and cruise lines make much more money from gambling than European sight-seeing trips.

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  • Pigwigeon, Bath
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    Very disappointed to see Anthem leave after just one season. And they are giving us the old Independence and the even older Navigator back again, and it appears they aren't even bothering with anything out of Harwich. Putting all their eggs into a Chinese made basket it appears with both Quantum and Ovation being posted there......to become floating smoke filled casinos. Given that P&O seem to advertise that reruns of TV favourites (Last of the Summer Wine I presume) as the highlight of their entertainment programme, I would have thought that the UK market was RCIs for the taking. A missed opportunity.
    Last edited by Pigwigeon, Bath; 15th March 2015, 06:58 PM.

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  • Royston1, Royston1
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    Having seen the headline prices for RCI, I am glad we took the plunge and books Carnival Vista for summer 2016. It might not include a drinks package but the base costs is much lower.

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  • Wilba
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    Originally posted by Max, Warwickshire View Post
    In all seriousness, Wilba, you missed your vocation if you weren't a travel agent!

    After years of really what amounts to package-holiday booking we started to research our own cruise trips around 2 years ago after reading a few of yours and others' posts about DIY. Now we'd never go back. We've still got a lot to learn, particularly about flights and when to book them, but we've saved a small fortune already, and we love the flexibility of it all. We got flights and 2 nights' hotel (one night either end of the cruise) last year for just over half the price Azamara wanted to include flights in their price.

    I used to get all hung up about the possibility of missing departures etc but the key as you've said many times on here before is to have a plan B or backup.
    In this instance Max I actually used a TA as I only put the plan together 6 weeks before departure. Flights were at a premium at the time and after extensive research I found that Cruise Cuba could only be booked three ways in the UK.

    There are only two agents I found that can book this cruise in the UK, the other option booking direct on the Canadian Cruise Cuba website.

    I packaged the deal myself and presented my exact requirements to both agents. Both came back with a very similar price, both undercutting the cruise and flights by a considerable amount.

    I didn't hesitate!........After a haggle of course.......Wilba

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  • Max, Warwickshire
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    Originally posted by Wilba View Post
    As an interesting comparison Max, my 14 nights in Cuba included direct flights with Virgin Atlantic, 4 nights all inclusive, 3 nights bed & breakfast, Visas, 7 night cruise and over 200 miles of transfers came to similar money to an Ocean View around the Med on Anthem this coming August.

    As much as I would love a 'look see' on one of the sea monsters I doubt if they will ever be on my bucket list, when with a little imagination there are so many other far more interesting options available at similar money............Wilba
    In all seriousness, Wilba, you missed your vocation if you weren't a travel agent!

    After years of really what amounts to package-holiday booking we started to research our own cruise trips around 2 years ago after reading a few of yours and others' posts about DIY. Now we'd never go back. We've still got a lot to learn, particularly about flights and when to book them, but we've saved a small fortune already, and we love the flexibility of it all. We got flights and 2 nights' hotel (one night either end of the cruise) last year for just over half the price Azamara wanted to include flights in their price.

    I used to get all hung up about the possibility of missing departures etc but the key as you've said many times on here before is to have a plan B or backup.
    Last edited by Max, Warwickshire; 13th March 2015, 03:38 PM.

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  • Wilba
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    Originally posted by Max, Warwickshire View Post
    We're all crystal-ball gazing to a degree, Annie, but I think we have to be careful comparing American practices with our own. As I understand it you can cancel without penalty over there and anyway you're much more likely to benefit from price drops than we are in UK. In those circumstances I'd book anything that took my fancy and weed them out nearer the time.

    Where I'm in complete agreement is itineraries. The lines seem to be making the location such a secondary feature of a cruise, with ships that can access only container ports and 'template' itineraries that inspire no sense of travel or discovery. That's far more likely to drive me away, though there's still plenty of places I want to see, there may not be any cruise ships going where I want to go.
    As an interesting comparison Max, my 14 nights in Cuba included direct flights with Virgin Atlantic, 4 nights all inclusive, 3 nights bed & breakfast, Visas, 7 night cruise and over 200 miles of transfers came to similar money to an Ocean View around the Med on Anthem this coming August.

    As much as I would love a 'look see' on one of the sea monsters I doubt if they will ever be on my bucket list, when with a little imagination there are so many other far more interesting options available at similar money............Wilba
    Last edited by Wilba; 13th March 2015, 02:52 PM.

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  • Max, Warwickshire
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    Originally posted by annie, Glasgow View Post
    I will be delighted if I am wrong

    What is hacking off some of the American cruisers, is the hike in fares plus the hike in drink prices plus the hike in gratuities. Those who post are beginning to look at alternatives. However if I lived in say Boston, I can well understand the attraction of a winter Caribbean cruise

    Will the market grow?? I know one market that is growing amongst my acquaintances - the number of people who have cruised once and never returned.

    Unless the itineraries are really overhauled, I have possibly only one cruise left on my bucket list and not fussed if I complete the cruise.

    Annie
    We're all crystal-ball gazing to a degree, Annie, but I think we have to be careful comparing American practices with our own. As I understand it you can cancel without penalty over there and anyway you're much more likely to benefit from price drops than we are in UK. In those circumstances I'd book anything that took my fancy and weed them out nearer the time.

    Where I'm in complete agreement is itineraries. The lines seem to be making the location such a secondary feature of a cruise, with ships that can access only container ports and 'template' itineraries that inspire no sense of travel or discovery. That's far more likely to drive me away, though there's still plenty of places I want to see, there may not be any cruise ships going where I want to go.

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  • ******, Spalding
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    RC definately caught a cold with Anthum. U.K. public will just not pay those prices.
    I've just been perusing the rates for 2016 Royal Caribbean. Although I'm a Diamond member, I think I will go with Silversea for 2016. The penalty for being a single cruiser on RC is far too high.

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  • annie, Glasgow
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    Originally posted by Max, Warwickshire View Post
    I'd be surprised if that was the case.

    It will mean a whole new commercial approach, including the bosses of individual lines foregoing additional revenue today for the sake of a strategic ideal that may take years to work if it ever really does. Even if that could work within a mutli-brand owner like Carnival (still a big 'if') I'm not sure it could survive the sort of competitive pressures that will drive one company against another.

    I think the cruise lines want to give the impression that's the way things are going, and they can point the way with 2016 prices, but trying to adjust supply to meet demand is too difficult when we're talking about such long leadtime capacity. Their only hope is to grow the market or really cut capacity, and they can't do that without losing money.
    I will be delighted if I am wrong

    What is hacking off some of the American cruisers, is the hike in fares plus the hike in drink prices plus the hike in gratuities. Those who post are beginning to look at alternatives. However if I lived in say Boston, I can well understand the attraction of a winter Caribbean cruise

    Will the market grow?? I know one market that is growing amongst my acquaintances - the number of people who have cruised once and never returned.

    Unless the itineraries are really overhauled, I have possibly only one cruise left on my bucket list and not fussed if I complete the cruise.

    Annie

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  • Max, Warwickshire
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    Originally posted by annie, Glasgow View Post
    I agree.

    I heard a Future Sales Consultant say to one client, that provided the ship meets its revenue targets, the cruise line is happy to sail with empty cabins.

    If as in industry, they collectively decide this is the way to go, the days of rock bottom discounts may be behind us.

    Annie
    I'd be surprised if that was the case.

    It will mean a whole new commercial approach, including the bosses of individual lines foregoing additional revenue today for the sake of a strategic ideal that may take years to work if it ever really does. Even if that could work within a mutli-brand owner like Carnival (still a big 'if') I'm not sure it could survive the sort of competitive pressures that will drive one company against another.

    I think the cruise lines want to give the impression that's the way things are going, and they can point the way with 2016 prices, but trying to adjust supply to meet demand is too difficult when we're talking about such long leadtime capacity. Their only hope is to grow the market or really cut capacity, and they can't do that without losing money.

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  • annie, Glasgow
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    Originally posted by Topdeck, London View Post
    Thats because the package offers were rare, the new paradime is more/all cruises get the offers with packages to keep prices up.

    Anthem was just in there because thats the offers not because it was not selling.


    This new model with more is included the on board spends will either be lower or people will sill spend, there is less incentive to late discount to fill the ship, just sell enough cabins. there are signs thi is happening.

    Another thing that can happen once the pipeline is filled they start removing the incentives on cruise say less than 6months out and then reprice trapping the early bookers.
    I agree.

    I heard a Future Sales Consultant say to one client, that provided the ship meets its revenue targets, the cruise line is happy to sail with empty cabins.

    If as in industry, they collectively decide this is the way to go, the days of rock bottom discounts may be behind us.

    Annie

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  • Topdeck, London
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    Originally posted by Malcolm, Essex View Post
    Cruise lines always claim that there ships are selling well!

    New ships always command premium pricing. However, given the fact RCI have been offering booking perks for Anthem, such as included drinks packages, cabin sales must not have been as good as hoped. Incentives for brand new ships have been pretty rare in the past.
    Thats because the package offers were rare, the new paradime is more/all cruises get the offers with packages to keep prices up.

    Anthem was just in there because thats the offers not because it was not selling.


    This new model with more is included the on board spends will either be lower or people will sill spend, there is less incentive to late discount to fill the ship, just sell enough cabins. there are signs thi is happening.

    Another thing that can happen once the pipeline is filled they start removing the incentives on cruise say less than 6months out and then reprice trapping the early bookers.

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  • dst87, Falkirk
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    Originally posted by carol, welwyn garden city View Post
    My maiden voyage on Britannia is half what Duncan is paying on Anthem + the tips will be a lot less. I think it will be out of a lot of families reach.

    There might be some deals to be had nearer to the sailings.......................................... ...................................Carol
    In fairness that price includes a drinks package and gratuities. Not that this makes up the difference in price, but still!

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  • annie, Glasgow
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    Originally posted by Taffy, Wales View Post
    Where's the like button?

    I think that lots off families are struggling,with little or no pay rises and increasing cost ,there are not enough families with £6k to spend on holidays(around 25% of average pay) Dispite the claims that incomes are rising...Taffy
    Remember Taffy that £6K is taken from post-tax Income and not pre-tax Income.

    The families I know with that level of disposable income would NOT spend it on a cruise simply because there is better value elsewhere.

    Annie

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