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    #31
    Originally posted by andyn, kensworth View Post
    Thought you'd be watching the tennis, probably only another couple of hours left in this one (going for 25-23)
    and on, and on, not far off
    Last edited by andyn, Bucks; 13th July 2018, 06:49 PM.

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      #32
      Originally posted by 1fifthavenue, birmingham View Post
      Met some woman on Magnifica earlier this year, Diamond on RCCL, status matched to Black on MSC then whinging there's no free cocktails, said she had never paid for an alcoholic drink in all her cruises. Was at the cruise critic whinge and whine with a glass of water from the buffet. Biggest moan was no free cocktail hours... Paid less than £150 inc flight for 2 nights... she'd probably have peeled an orange in her pocket
      Am I surprised ? - no

      The free cocktail hours is a reason why many continue to cruise with them.

      On my last cruise, it was a voucher system because over one third of the passenger list were eligible.

      They are also eligible for free mimosas at breakfast.

      Annie

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        #33
        Originally posted by andyn, kensworth View Post
        and on, and on, not far off
        I love watching tennis but prefer live matches.

        I confess I have stopped watching - I don't connect with either player the same way I did with Del Po and his match with Nadal. I am neutral. I didn't enjoy the Isner-Mahut match of a few years ago either.

        Just pleased I am not seated in the Royal Box - you would be obliged to stay to the end

        Annie
        Last edited by annie, Glasgow; 13th July 2018, 07:00 PM.

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          #34
          Originally posted by toshtosh, Guiseley View Post
          Dear Annie and Garfield,

          as ever I have to clarify that my post was aimed at cruisers like me who enjoy a holiday without worrying about how much extra I am spending on what I see as essential - Coffees, waters, wine and spirits.

          IMHO many cruisers like a drink and appreciate DPs for many reasons, but I accept there are those who prefer PAYG.

          The good news for PAYG customers is that NCL have now gone back to offering cruises without a drinks package for those who do not drink a lot.

          Unfortunately I see many lines now increasing their PAYG drinks prices to suggest their "free" or "inclusive" DP offers are worth many hundreds of pounds so PAYG cruisers are losing out both ways.

          Just consider NCL where many drinks are priced at £8 to £10 plus gratuity. The difference between their cruise-only and AI prices is about £35 a day, so PAYG passengers , who also lose ability to choose cabin, start to lose out after only 4 drinks.

          Celebrity is different where the differential between an inside cabin (no DP) and a balcony with free DP on an 8 day cruise is an amazing £900. There is no option for a balcony with no DP, so PAYG customers are limited to inside cabins.

          So it appears for PAYG customers you need an almost bottomless pocket approach to pricing your cruise - fine if it suits you.

          Cheers

          Tony B
          Why is it so complicated? What is wrong with choose any type of cabin and choose any way to buy your drinks, package or PAYG.

          One thing is sure, it is to the cruise lines advantage not the passengers. Most passengers will not get their moneys worth or they wouldn't be doing it.

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            #35
            Originally posted by JohnR, Chippenham View Post
            Why is it so complicated? What is wrong with choose any type of cabin and choose any way to buy your drinks, package or PAYG.

            One thing is sure, it is to the cruise lines advantage not the passengers. Most passengers will not get their moneys worth or they wouldn't be doing it.
            Certain cruise lines try to complicate it by including a 'free' DP in the pricing of certain cabins. It is called Marketing

            Annie
            Last edited by annie, Glasgow; 14th July 2018, 07:38 AM.

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              #36
              I am coming late into this discussion, we regularly cruise on P & O and yes both my husband and I drink, but I am struggling totally as to how anyone can manage to spend an additional £1200 on alcohol for this offer to break even on a 2 week holiday. P & O drinks prices are relatively reasonable and coupled with your bring on board allowance and any on board spend seems to be a very expensive offer. Compare this to Fred where the package is £20 a day all inclusive I believe and with a discount on bottles of wine, champagne etc. Add all this to a port intensive itinerary and you would just loose out financially.

              Or have I missed something here?

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                #37
                Originally posted by Earnie, Leeds View Post
                I am coming late into this discussion, we regularly cruise on P & O and yes both my husband and I drink, but I am struggling totally as to how anyone can manage to spend an additional £1200 on alcohol for this offer to break even on a 2 week holiday. P & O drinks prices are relatively reasonable and coupled with your bring on board allowance and any on board spend seems to be a very expensive offer. Compare this to Fred where the package is £20 a day all inclusive I believe and with a discount on bottles of wine, champagne etc. Add all this to a port intensive itinerary and you would just loose out financially.

                Or have I missed something here?
                It is all about choice and convenience isn't it?

                Annie

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Earnie, Leeds View Post
                  I am coming late into this discussion, we regularly cruise on P & O and yes both my husband and I drink, but I am struggling totally as to how anyone can manage to spend an additional £1200 on alcohol for this offer to break even on a 2 week holiday. P & O drinks prices are relatively reasonable and coupled with your bring on board allowance and any on board spend seems to be a very expensive offer. Compare this to Fred where the package is £20 a day all inclusive I believe and with a discount on bottles of wine, champagne etc. Add all this to a port intensive itinerary and you would just loose out financially.

                  Or have I missed something here?
                  Welcome to the forum Eirnie.

                  Its all down to Marketing ,we all know the Celebrity Free Drink Package is not free ,but included in the price we pay.
                  And some people do look at the package as a challenge ,Like you we are modest drinkers ,but we do find the drink package handy as we drink lots of water and teas during the day, wine and beer at night ,but get no bill at the end.
                  Personally I would not buy a drink package ...Taffy
                  ​Taffy

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                    #39
                    yes, a few hotel directors on the ships that I've met have said they brief the crew that the Brits see all inclusive as a challenge!

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by 1fifthavenue, birmingham View Post
                      yes, a few hotel directors on the ships that I've met have said they brief the crew that the Brits see all inclusive as a challenge!
                      Which is strange as I have been to many all inclusive resorts and never see it that way. Guess I must be looking in the wrong place or going to the wrong resorts

                      I am surprised companies like First Choice survive if it is just a drinking challenge.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Earnie, Leeds View Post
                        I am coming late into this discussion, we regularly cruise on P & O and yes both my husband and I drink, but I am struggling totally as to how anyone can manage to spend an additional £1200 on alcohol for this offer to break even on a 2 week holiday. P & O drinks prices are relatively reasonable and coupled with your bring on board allowance and any on board spend seems to be a very expensive offer. Compare this to Fred where the package is £20 a day all inclusive I believe and with a discount on bottles of wine, champagne etc. Add all this to a port intensive itinerary and you would just loose out financially.

                        Or have I missed something here?
                        The cruiselines are well aware that many will not break even, especially at £40 per day, and a lot higher on the likes of Celebrity. There are winners and losers and they know know they are not going to lose out on the deal...........Wilba
                        Wilba

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by andyn, kensworth View Post
                          Which is strange as I have been to many all inclusive resorts and never see it that way. Guess I must be looking in the wrong place or going to the wrong resorts

                          I am surprised companies like First Choice survive if it is just a drinking challenge.
                          I guess the difference is cheap 'local' spirits in these resorts? Have you ever tasted Egyptian whisky

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by 1fifthavenue, birmingham View Post
                            Met some woman on Magnifica earlier this year, Diamond on RCCL, status matched to Black on MSC then whinging there's no free cocktails, said she had never paid for an alcoholic drink in all her cruises. Was at the cruise critic whinge and whine with a glass of water from the buffet. Biggest moan was no free cocktail hours... Paid less than £150 inc flight for 2 nights... she'd probably have peeled an orange in her pocket
                            Thanks, that made me laugh out loud!
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                              #44
                              Originally posted by andyn, kensworth View Post
                              You just have to accept that when you post about drink packages, half of the posts will be from teetotallers, singles or those warning you about the dangers of alcohol.
                              The other half can carry on killing ourselves, wasting our money and having fun
                              Why do drinkers often assume that you can't have fun unless you're drinking alcohol?! Your classification is so black and white.

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                                #45
                                Is this a reasonable summary of DP v PAYG?

                                Many people on any holiday need to drink.
                                Some of these drink alcohol.
                                Some of these drink non-alcoholic drinks.
                                Some of these prefer to pay as they go because they are then in control of both consumption and spend.
                                Some like to pay for a DP, either because they "make a profit" on their normal holiday consumption or they like the freedom of a known budget.

                                Cruise lines realised that many potential new cruisers were being put off because they heard horror stories of bar bills, when many land based holidays were offering both AI and cheap bars.
                                Some cruise lines brought in a range of "packages" including a competitive AI drinks package. (Often an alcoholic and non-alcoholic option).
                                Cruise lines manipulate the price of both DPs and PAYG (inc offers of the day) to their own profits and never make an overall loss on either.
                                Cruisers have the choice by calculating the relative cost of a DP against their estimated consumption and budget.

                                Following the lead of traditional holiday companies. some companies went AI only. Others started to offer "Free" AI drinks packages without the option to a non DP option for equivalent cabins.

                                So cruisers now have the choice of sailing with companies that offer what they particularly want - for example those who don't consume many "to pay for" drinks and only want PAYG are excluded from Marella, Pulmantur and Azamara.

                                Until their recent announcement P and O was avoided by some who only want their drinks as a DP. Now cruisers can make a choice. So it seems inevitable that all cruise lines will be offering a DP in the near future.

                                Finally - some DPs are better value than others, when you compare price per drink - Assume 10 drinks per day then a £20 a day DP costs £2 a drink and a £40 a day DP will cost you £4 a drink.

                                So I suggest we are all capable of making our own assessments and DPs are good for some cruisers, and as long as PAYG cruisers want that option many cruise lines will keep it (NCL).

                                Cheers

                                Tony B

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