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  • Malcolm, Essex
    started a topic Carnival to Retire Six Ships

    Carnival to Retire Six Ships

    https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/c...t-90-days.html

    The shape of things to Come?

    I do wonder how long P&O's Aurora has left to serve?

  • annie, Glasgow
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    https://www.seatrade-cruise.com/news...rgio-del-porto

    Possible 1 out of the six??

    Annie

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  • philhar, wallasey
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    Originally posted by JohnR, Chippenham View Post
    Following the departure of Oriana, Aurora has become our favourite ship.

    Theatre, show lounge, cinema, sports bar, quiet bar (Anderson’s), crows nest, library, cards room and so on. What’s not too like?

    Climbing walls, dodg‘ems, water shoots etc. are fine but not for us.
    None of the P & O ships have any of those.
    It may not be that any of the P & O ships go.as Carnival is such a big brand.Not exclusively, but generally with ships it's the oldest ship that goes.

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  • JohnR, Chippenham
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    Originally posted by philhar, wallasey View Post
    I read this somewhere else .As such a large corporation it's hard to second guess which ships it will be.I guess Aurora must be one under consideration as Oriana has already been sold off.
    Following the departure of Oriana, Aurora has become our favourite ship.

    Theatre, show lounge, cinema, sports bar, quiet bar (Anderson’s), crows nest, library, cards room and so on. What’s not too like?

    Climbing walls, dodg‘ems, water shoots etc. are fine but not for us.

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  • Malcolm, Essex
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    Originally posted by jc, liverpool View Post

    edit,,,,Boudicca is the worst ship I've ever been on,,thank god it was only one night.
    I did a 3 nighter on her some years back. I was probably then half the age of the average passenger on-board, yet I still enjoyed the ship and cruise.

    Each to their own!

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  • Smith7
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    Originally posted by jc, liverpool View Post
    Hi all
    I understand some people have an infinity for old ships.i sailed a few with Thomson.

    But I must say in over 70 cruises Aurora was the worst ship and the worst cruise I have ever been on,,,gods waiting room.
    Its were the saying 'catching flies must have come from,,,,I saw more people's tonsils on that cruise........

    edit,,,,Boudicca is the worst ship I've ever been on,,thank god it was only one night.
    Maybe FO could scrap Boudicca and replace it with Aurora,,it would be a marginal improvement.

    Just saying!!!!
    JC
    I'm not taking the bait JC.

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  • jc, liverpool
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    Hi all
    I understand some people have an infinity for old ships.i sailed a few with Thomson.

    But I must say in over 70 cruises Aurora was the worst ship and the worst cruise I have ever been on,,,gods waiting room.
    Its were the saying 'catching flies must have come from,,,,I saw more people's tonsils on that cruise........

    edit,,,,Boudicca is the worst ship I've ever been on,,thank god it was only one night.
    Maybe FO could scrap Boudicca and replace it with Aurora,,it would be a marginal improvement.

    Just saying!!!!
    JC

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  • Topdeck, London
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    Originally posted by Malcolm, Essex View Post

    I believe that the likes of P&O never sell to competitors, hence Oriana went to China.
    P&O old ships, CMV, Phoenix Reisen, Azamara have one each, won't count the one that Princess has.

    CMV also has an ex Carnival brand ship


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  • Smith7
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    Originally posted by annie, Glasgow View Post

    Carnival as a group are burning cash at the rate of $650 per month. That policy may change.

    Annie
    Didn't I just say that?

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  • annie, Glasgow
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    Originally posted by Malcolm, Essex View Post

    I believe that the likes of P&O never sell to competitors, hence Oriana went to China.
    Carnival as a group are burning cash at the rate of $650 million per month. That policy may change.

    Annie
    Last edited by annie, Glasgow; 18th June 2020, 05:02 PM.

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  • Smith7
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    Originally posted by Malcolm, Essex View Post

    I believe that the likes of P&O never sell to competitors, hence Oriana went to China.
    I don't doubt your expertise Malcolm but we can always hope that P & O might change their past practice due to the massive change in the cruising world brought on by this Pandemic and the financial implications.

    Fred was looking at the possibility of a new ship but that probably won't be on the cards now.

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  • Malcolm, Essex
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    Originally posted by Smith7 View Post

    I would personally love it if Aurora joined the Fred Olsen fleet. We sailed on her in 2014 and loved the ship.
    I believe that the likes of P&O never sell to competitors, hence Oriana went to China.

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  • Smith7
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    Originally posted by Malcolm, Essex View Post

    That would be a brave thing to do in the present economic climate unless the ship was a bargain - but they probably will be! Olsen did talk about obtaining anther vessel a while back, when things looked brighter. Aurora might suit them or CMV?
    I would personally love it if Aurora joined the Fred Olsen fleet. We sailed on her in 2014 and loved the ship. Having 2 swimming pools, a show lounge and a theatre would be a great addition to the fleet.

    I doubt it will happen though.

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  • annie, Glasgow
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    Originally posted by Malcolm, Essex View Post

    That would be a brave thing to do in the present economic climate unless the ship was a bargain - but they probably will be! Olsen did talk about obtaining anther vessel a while back, when things looked brighter. Aurora might suit them or CMV?
    The purchase price will not be the obstacle but rather the operating costs and insurance costs of the vessel. Oh and the additional financing costs of borrowing to cover the cash they are all burning.

    CMV had a loan application for £25 million turned down recently.

    Annie

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  • philhar, wallasey
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    Originally posted by Malcolm, Essex View Post

    That would be a brave thing to do in the present economic climate unless the ship was a bargain - but they probably will be! Olsen did talk about obtaining anther vessel a while back, when things looked brighter. Aurora might suit them or CMV?
    P& O have never been keen on selling their old ships to British based rivals ,I think largely to do with ship loyalty. CMV have picked up a couple of P&O Australia ships but with 2 recent acquisitions I doubt it in the current climate. Fred haven't acquired a "new " ship for ages,but again the current climate suggest no.
    Mothballing or scrapping sadly seem most likely and I'm guessing mothballing wouldn't thrill the bean counters...

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