Carnival to Retire Six Ships

[Malcolm, Essex]

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/c...t-90-days.html

The shape of things to Come?

I do wonder how long P&O's Aurora has left to serve?

[philhar, wallasey]

I read this somewhere else .As such a large corporation it's hard to second guess which ships it will be.I guess Aurora must be one under consideration as Oriana has already been sold off.

[Haworth, Wokingham]

Thus it begins, the bean counters are working their magic, I think that it is inevitable that we will see more changes to fleet sizes and consolidation of operations.

John

[Malcolm, Essex]

...I guess Aurora must be one under consideration as Oriana has already been sold off.

Here are some images of Aurora, if you have never seen her interiors:

https://youtu.be/L0Ygos0ZdT0

[Topdeck, London]

I can't find it now but one of the Costa ships got mentioned recently.

Much easier and cheaper to wind some ships out of service now and not have to displace as many people

The interesting bit will be if there is anyone out there looking to pick up a ship with plans to run with it

[Malcolm, Essex]

The interesting bit will be if there is anyone out there looking to pick up a ship with plans to run with it

That would be a brave thing to do in the present economic climate unless the ship was a bargain - but they probably will be! Olsen did talk about obtaining anther vessel a while back, when things looked brighter. Aurora might suit them or CMV?

[philhar, wallasey]

That would be a brave thing to do in the present economic climate unless the ship was a bargain - but they probably will be! Olsen did talk about obtaining anther vessel a while back, when things looked brighter. Aurora might suit them or CMV?

P& O have never been keen on selling their old ships to British based rivals ,I think largely to do with ship loyalty. CMV have picked up a couple of P&O Australia ships but with 2 recent acquisitions I doubt it in the current climate. Fred haven't acquired a "new " ship for ages,but again the current climate suggest no.
Mothballing or scrapping sadly seem most likely and I'm guessing mothballing wouldn't thrill the bean counters...

[annie, Glasgow]

That would be a brave thing to do in the present economic climate unless the ship was a bargain - but they probably will be! Olsen did talk about obtaining anther vessel a while back, when things looked brighter. Aurora might suit them or CMV?

The purchase price will not be the obstacle but rather the operating costs and insurance costs of the vessel. Oh and the additional financing costs of borrowing to cover the cash they are all burning.

CMV had a loan application for £25 million turned down recently.

Annie

[Smith7]

That would be a brave thing to do in the present economic climate unless the ship was a bargain - but they probably will be! Olsen did talk about obtaining anther vessel a while back, when things looked brighter. Aurora might suit them or CMV?

I would personally love it if Aurora joined the Fred Olsen fleet. We sailed on her in 2014 and loved the ship. Having 2 swimming pools, a show lounge and a theatre would be a great addition to the fleet.

I doubt it will happen though.

[Malcolm, Essex]

I would personally love it if Aurora joined the Fred Olsen fleet. We sailed on her in 2014 and loved the ship.

I believe that the likes of P&O never sell to competitors, hence Oriana went to China.

[Smith7]

I believe that the likes of P&O never sell to competitors, hence Oriana went to China.

I don't doubt your expertise Malcolm but we can always hope that P & O might change their past practice due to the massive change in the cruising world brought on by this Pandemic and the financial implications.

Fred was looking at the possibility of a new ship but that probably won't be on the cards now.

[annie, Glasgow]

I believe that the likes of P&O never sell to competitors, hence Oriana went to China.

Carnival as a group are burning cash at the rate of $650 million per month. That policy may change.

Annie

[Smith7]

Carnival as a group are burning cash at the rate of $650 per month. That policy may change.

Annie

Didn't I just say that?

[Topdeck, London]

I believe that the likes of P&O never sell to competitors, hence Oriana went to China.

P&O old ships, CMV, Phoenix Reisen, Azamara have one each, won't count the one that Princess has.

CMV also has an ex Carnival brand ship

[jc, liverpool]

Hi all
I understand some people have an infinity for old ships.i sailed a few with Thomson.

But I must say in over 70 cruises Aurora was the worst ship and the worst cruise I have ever been on,,,gods waiting room.
Its were the saying 'catching flies must have come from,,,,I saw more people's tonsils on that cruise........

edit,,,,Boudicca is the worst ship I've ever been on,,thank god it was only one night.
Maybe FO could scrap Boudicca and replace it with Aurora,,it would be a marginal improvement.

Just saying!!!!
JC