Aldrich - Answered a Question by Kenny (08 Sep 08 22:09)

The 5 individuals who are paid via the gratuity scheme are on a monthly salary of $50pm. If you do not tip these guys they do not earn. It is as simple as that. Yes, feel free to tip anyone you want so long as you tip these 5 individuals what you are supposed to tip them. Please.

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Ford - replied to Aldrich (08 Sep 08 22:32)

Yes I am in complete agreement with Aldrich.

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Imontoyou - replied to Aldrich (08 Sep 08 23:24)

Monthly salary of $50? Don't believe it. Prove it! And why should passengers who pay a lot of money for a cruise pay the staffs wages as well?? Cruise lines must be laughing all the way to the bank. I only tip the people I think deserve it. I will not tip a wine waiter who takes 45mins. to bring a bottle of wine to my table (even though it was pre-ordered) and I have nearly finished my meal! but I will tip the plumber called out to my room at 3am to fix a leak. I have never prepaid tips and never will. By the way, who are these 5 individuals?

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Aldrich - replied to Imontoyou (09 Sep 08 10:39)

From X's website: It is customary to offer gratuities to staff members you feel have given you exceptional service and personal attention. Celebrity suggests the following guidelines for all guests: • Waiter: $3.50 per day • Assistant Waiter: $2.00 per day • Butler (suites only): $3.50 per day • Assistant Maitre'd: $1.00 per day • Stateroom Service: $3.50 per day • Stateroom Service (ConciergeClass): $4.00 • Assistant Chief Housekeeper: $0.50 per day If you do not beleive me then I suggest you google 'salary on cruise ships $50' and you will find several articles that prove this fact.

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Wilba - replied to Aldrich (09 Sep 08 11:40)

I've just googled salary on cruise ships $50 & the only confirmed reference I found was Carnival quoting $50 wages. Unfortunately this was written in 1999. The latest reference by an employment agency is as follows....The remuneration in cash varies from US $1000 minimum to $4000 per month depending upon what position you are in. This is not an amount to sneeze at. Since there are almost no expenses, you tend to save all the money you earn and this can make you a neat package at the end of your eight to ten months ship contract. It is just wonderful to hold that bundle of US $10-12,000 in your hand at the end of the contract.

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Aldrich - replied to Wilba (09 Sep 08 12:35)

OK - there is a chap called R del Pappa who was a X employee. Now he has left the company he has been writing (on the website that cannot be named) about life on board and what actually happens. This is taken verbatim: "On average, a Waiter on X can make upwards towards $3300+ (give or take) per month. This is strictly based on 16 guests per seating, two seating's, $3.50pp/pd, 30 days per month. During my time on board, most servers had an average of 12 to 16 guests per section per voyage. Some evening all guests would come in, and other evenings just a handful. My best guess from working with them and having personal conversations with them during off time is that they make about $3000/month. Waiter's have a monthly stipend of approximately $50. They get paid bi-monthly in USD (cash), and then can have the cash direct deposited into their bank accounts, or wired to specific persons. Celebrity pays for all hotel/travel arrangements to and from the ship (some cruise lines do not). Prior to be hired, the individual must pay for their Pre-Employment Physical, which ran me about $200 (in my home city of Miami). Food and accommodation is included. I am not too sure about their uniforms. As a member of the Management Team, I did not have to pay for my uniforms. As far as expenditures once on board, it was virtually nil. Internet Cards were $30, pre-paid, and gave us a lot of time - something to the effect of $0.08/minute... the $20 card gave you $0.12/minute... Calling Cards were $10... not sure how much time would be on it as I had my Blackberry Pearl (AT&T) with me on board... A drink at the crew bar would run $1/beer and $2/mixed drink. Bottled water ran $1, as well as Red Bulls, Gatorade, and snacks. Un-tipped Management made more or less wages that would be comparable to land based hotels... My salary as an Assistant Food Manager was a little less than what I was making on land. The bonus on my end (As an American) was that I had NO living costs whatsoever, no gas to pay (we know how expensive it is right now), food, laundry, the list goes on... that was great when I was single... but now with a family, it does not benefit me to be onboard... As far as hours are concerned, Celebrity has a ZERO TOLERANCE Policy on overtime hours - this included line staff and Management. I was confused when I board about this... even though we ALL had a monthly Salary, we ALL (Captain on down to Dishwasher) had to keep Time Cards. Time Cards would be checked daily to ensure we were not working more than 12 hours/day... if by chance we did work a little over, we would get compensated for it (there was some kind of formula for how much one would get). It actually did boost my salary just a tad, but not by much. The other form of compensation was additional time off. I had one full day off per cruise... Waiters would have breakfast and lunches off... Additionally, being that X does not open Dining Rooms in Port, Waiters would rotate weekly working in the Buffet during breakfast and lunch." I see no reason for him to lie about this fact. This was taken from a posting in Jan this year.

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Wilba - replied to Aldrich (09 Sep 08 20:28)

Yes OK! I’m prepared to accept what’s written & as I’ve stated both here & on every comment form I’ve filled in on the ships, please build in the grats & stop the bad feelings. But I also stand by my comments that any change can only come from these ‘poor’ guys’ to make a stand as this will never come from the cruise companies whilst there are 300 million mugs paying the wage bill for them. They’ve had 50+ years of cruising to get their act together & to my knowledge have made no effort whatsoever to better their cause, so as I’ve stated, my sympathies are waning for them.

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Imontoyou - replied to Aldrich (10 Sep 08 00:07)

My point exactly, the passengers pay the staffs wages!! cruise lines are laughing at us. Aldrich, by your own figures work out the amount of tips the 5 members of staff get from us. ie waiter $3.50 per day per person x approx 8 tables of 4-8 people per day! add that onto your week/2weeks cruise then multiply all the other diners. (and before you say they don't look after 8 tables I queried our waiter running all over the place and he said he had 8 tables to look after) Incidentally I tipped this waiter, but I would never pre tip. I will always tip good service when I receive it not before.

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BLYTH - replied to Imontoyou (09 Sep 08 12:30)

Unfortunately if we didn't tip and staff received a fair wage you probably wouldn't be looking at going cruising as the costs would soar. Where in the world do we see so many comments about not paying tips but here on UK websites. If you took a taxi and the fare was £5.60 you might let the driver keep the 40p, or if you went out for a meal for two with a bottle of wine in a nice restuarant and the bill came to £64 you might let the waiter have £70 and keep the change. The average cruises will cost between £1200 and £4000 for two people and even the £1200 cruise would mean leaving behind £120 for the staff so get realistic, the Americans don't bother neither to the French the Italans etc so why do we have such a chip on our shoulder !!

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Imontoyou - replied to BLYTH (09 Sep 08 23:15)

Still missing the point. Read my comment again. If the Taxi was late, no, I would not tip. As to the restaurant the food and drink would have to be on time and enjoyable. My argument is on pre-tipping .

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