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BLYTH - Answered a Question by Bardwell (29 Jul 08 10:48)

If you like cruising then it is worthwhile buying I got a nice one for £80, I would think for the 2/3 formal nights a might be sligthly cheaper but not by much. I have to say on our last cruise of the 1800 passengers only 5% had a tux; 55% dinner suits and the remiander dark suits, but I like my tux so even if I am the only one out of 2800 on the Solstice in the spring next year I will be wearing it.

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Stanbury - replied to BLYTH (29 Jul 08 18:32)

This is not the first time that someone has tried to draw a distinction between a 'tux' (tuxedo) and a 'dinner suit'. What do you mean by 'tux', Blyth? A tuxedo, properly so-called, is merely the Yanks' name for the complete male outfit that we in the UK should refer to as a 'dinner jacket' or 'black tie'. (And a white dinner jacket is just that - or a white tuxedo if you must.).

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Blyth - replied to Stanbury (30 Jul 08 08:34)

A tux is a cream jacket worn with black trousers; shirt and bow tie whilst the dinner suit is all black. In the old days the tux was a white jacket and some cruisers do possess them, I have seen a few about but not many. hope this helps clarify the difference.

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Stanbury - replied to Blyth (30 Jul 08 09:43)

With respect, Blyth, you are wrong, as any dictionary will confirm. Tuxedo (US) has exactly the same meaning as dinner jacket (UK) and signifies the whole outfit, conventionally with black jacket and trousers. If a white or cream jacket is worn (with black trousers), it is called a white tuxedo or white dinner jacket. (The name 'tuxedo' comes from the Tuxedo Park country club in NY where the dinner jacket became popular wear.) So, by your reckoning, 60% of your cruise companions wore dinner jackets (55% black and 5% white/cream). I saw about the same proportions on my recent cruise; all the white or cream jackets seemed to be worn by older Yanks.

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Wilba - replied to Stanbury (30 Jul 08 14:44)

Hey Guys! Can I join the fight. I along with others I have used the term 'Tux' & dictionaries to one side for a moment, surely the 'accepted' meaning of tux is black OR white. I have had quite a few 'white tux's' over the years & up until not that many years ago were very prolific on cruise ships. In fact when we all complied with dress codes, most men took black for the first formal night & white for the second. Of course they were the days when we could take 2 suitcases on an aeroplane plus 2 or 3 bags of hand luggage each.

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Stanbury - replied to Wilba (30 Jul 08 21:19)

There is no fight, Wilba, only a need for clarification! We do not need in the UK to use the US term 'tuxedo' at all as it means nothing more nor less than 'dinner jacket' - but use it if you must. And you are right to say that, whichever name is used, the jacket itself may be black, white, cream or sky-blue-pink (nice!). But as the 'accepted' or 'standard' jacket is black, anything else needs to be distinguished (when necessary - as Blyth was attempting in his first posting) by referring to it as e.g. a 'white dinner jacket' or a 'cream tuxedo' or whatever. I rest my case.

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Wilba - replied to Stanbury (31 Jul 08 07:31)

I agree with everything you say, but 'Tux' has become an accepted term for a 'standard black' with 'white tux' to distinguish the difference. Tux for most people is a 'good abbreviation' as the term D.J., to some of the intelligence levels that post on this site, means someone who plays loud music.

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norsworthy - Answered a Question by Bardwell (29 Jul 08 13:49)

You can buy them in matalan about £25.00 at xmas time also had a nice dark suit in marks and spencers for £29.00 the other day it really depends what you are looking for and if you want to buy or not.

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pilgrim - Answered a Question by Bardwell (31 Jul 08 22:40)

OK I'll answer the question go to http://www.cruiselineformal.com/ there is a list of prices here.

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bardwell - Answered a Question by Bardwell (01 Aug 08 11:56)

Thank you 'pilgrim'that's the information I wanted.

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